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- Elizabeth MacDonald is the stocks editor for Fox Business Network. She is recognized as one of the top prize-winning business journalists in the country, and has received 14 awards, including the top prize in business journalism, the Gerald Loeb Award for Distinguished Business Journalism, and the Newswomen's Club of New York Front Page Award for Excellence in Investigative Journalism.
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PaleAle
Somehow Bank of America will win on this.
PaleAle
Your comment above regarding run on deposits ? I kid you not (a phrase I'm not so hot on) - every BIG bank you see running a happy bank ad on TV ? I think anyone one that is running an ad ? is in trouble, if not experiencing a quiet run. Look at Wachovia, or Washington Mutual. Citi runs a lot of ads. I bet they're in trouble. I bet they're in worse trouble than now even. I only have one word. Yahoo
PaleAle
Citi killed their Citi Student Loan Corp this year. Even Fannie Mae CEO said 160 basis pts above isn't enough for profit on student loans. Just last night it hit me - as I watched the education fund dwindle - nearing 1/2. 1/2 ACTUAL cash put in, as in, 20k cash put in, 14k left. this means NOT ONLY are IRA's being destroyed ? or people retiring now ? having to take up anti-depressants now too ? This ALSO means children's education funds are being burned. Now, I read future education will be more cash only, and less credit. Alan Greenspan said a LONG time ago, if the US doesn't work on education ? we have no competitive work force globally. Here it is ? We just locked many out of university experience through this mess. It's just another side of loss I missed on this coin. That Citi Financial even exists ? citi can happily just go. Citi Financial is the lowest of the sub prime dealers I think. Near the bottom. 40% interest loans - and this is during the GOOD years ! Gee if Citi Financial hit people from 8 to 40 % on loans ? what are their NEW rates going to be ? can we see 100+ % rates ? Borrow $100 at 101% interest ? WOULD that level things ? Probably for citi.
stevan fagan
citi has done nothing to help those in need , i hope they get no help . they are forcing me into forcloser by ignoring me , as a disabled vet and never in need before i just asked them for a temperary rate change for one year to help and they said no .
Jersey Grrrl
These are the people who will call to harass you at least once a day every day (from India) if you're a couple days late on your credit card payment - and then report you to the credit bureau! - and THIS is the shape they're in??? Ironic.
Rick
When Citi goes under the headstone should read "Thanks Hank!" I know that the entire problem isn't the lack of bailout, but rather a bunch of morally corrupt top managers making way too much for running a company into the ground. Where is the accountability?
Daniel Smith
Well written article, good figures used appropriately. Throughout Citi's problems, they have been square with us as a consumer of credit. We appreciate that they have not rewritten the rate schedule for interest rates that would bury us and cause us to default.
Dave
I have a home mortgage loan with CitiMortgage - it originally was with ABN AMMRO, a great company, but they sold their mortgage division to Citi. I have never failed to make a payment. What will happen to Citi's mortgage division if they break up? What will happen to my mortgage?
Kevin
It is understandable as I just got off the phone with citibank. I was trying to pay on my credit card and they would not accept payment as I have already paid the amount equal to my total credit limit one this month. So that means I cant use my card for another month until my next statement. I use the card to make purchases for my small business and I need to turn my money fast. I guess I pay too fast. I have never had a bank refuse to take money. Its easy to see why they are in the condition they are in.
Kate Danforth
The 3 CEOs need to atone in public. A public apology is in order, not from the 3 collectively, and not from an appointed spokesperson, but for each to look into the camera and say they did not look out for anyone but themselves and this corporate greed has to stop now and it will begin with them. The $28 Mil one of the 3 scoped up for himself last year needs to be shared will the blue collar workers that made it possible for his lack of responsibility towards them.
PaleAle
So, If Citi closes below 5 today ? auto selloff by Monday ? that's a very interesting point on Citi's $5 min to stay included on pensions, portfolios etc. That's software I imagine that will do the auto selloff.
PaleAle
On the FBN comment regarding gold, and why it's not really functioning apart from the markets... Didn't we move to paper standard at the VERY top level of Special Drawing Rights in Feb ? 2008 ? To me, I'd think if at the top level nation states say paper is as good as gold ? I'd think gold lost it's luster back in Feb. 2008 I think gold also became pegged to paper at that point too. Alas, I think gold is no longer what it used to be. Nor is the petro dollar. I swear, living in 2008 - it's not 'what is the path to prosperity' it's more like 'which path has the least debt consequences'. This news on citi's $5 minimum for it to be held in pensions etc, is VERY interesting to me. Doesn't this mean if it closes below $5 today ? forced selloff on citi starts ? forcing it's share value into oblivion ? I mean, it's interesting, Paulson moved from taking toxic waste off it's hand to investing in what appears to be - depending on close today- a burning building. Problem with a spiralling stock value is - Paulson's approach of buying stock into a company becomes worthless - if the stock is worthless. I wonder what other forced selloffs will happen with OTHER companies stock that falls below $5. That's just bad timing for this $5 rule. Kind of funny in a way, that $5 would cause so much havoc.
Ron Craig
I'm a part of the CitiGroup family. Very difficult to understand what is going on and how it will effect me as an investor. This is not a new issue, can't understand why those in charge are still holding their high paying jobs. There is the appearence of rewarding poor performance in the "good old boys club". With all the lay-off's why not start ast the top?
Nanouk Miller
It's very simple. Banks that did not succumb to CRA-based political and pressure group tactics are doing just fine. When you don't lower lending standards, you don't get toxic paper. Banks should have stood up to politicians like Dodd, Frank, and Concord to publicize what was being asked of them; however, they were complicit in that they became too greedy to look the "gift horse" in the mouth. So many of the SMB-sized banks and thrifts are sound, but are being disadvantaged due to the preferential treatment the "too big to fail" institutions are getting from the Treasury and Fed. No one is "too big to fail"; failure forces its own mental readjustments. Preventing failure just ensures increased unacceptable behavior.
Doug
Too big to fail simply means too big. Break them up.
Jerimiah
Hey, if Citi is $3.50 right now ? and 5.4 Billion shares out ? that's like 15+ Billion and change for the entire circus. right now - Abu Dhabi could swoop down - buy citi and have #1 - an INSTANT symbol of the west - #2 - on image alone, Dubai could say they are one step closer to becoming the new financial banking center of the world (as was publicly proclaimed). I bet someone zooms down and buys up citi - Dubai wants it for image - and it's part of their collection of US corporations. US Treasury TARP might buy it. Heck they bought 80% of Freddie and Fannie and AIG wants 150 Billion my math says buy the 5.4 billion shared right now, call it $4 a share, unless as you buy, it goes up and you have to compute it at say $7 a share or something... as TARP would be buying and cornering the frozen orange juice market, wait, wrong movie... As TARP would be buying the 5.4 billion shares ? I guess it'd go up somewhat. So, Dubai OR TARP I wager will buy it - and pump it back up. Dubai would never let it fall. I don't think TARP would either. Come to think of it ? Sheesh, is TARP just a fund so Treasury can buy off Dubai from coming in and just buying up TOP US financial institutions? I mean, over HALF of the world's cranes are in Dubai, Their DubaiDisney park ? my god - it's going to have a handful of the world's largest stadiums, it's big. Why not have a collection of top US financial institutions. Then ? we work for oil to heat the home, work for oil to drive to work, and work for oil to run our banks, this just goes on... I'm not sure - I don't think I'll ever visit Dubai. not sure. The do have the world's SECOND largest shopping mall. Why ? it's right down the street from the world's LARGEST shopping mall which is right down the street from the world's tallest building which is right down the street from the New Manhattan replica. just goes on. ALL built on sand from petro dollars. What did we EVER trade when we allowed western oil companies to enable Abu Dhabi to pull so much of our money into the desert - to build DISNEY and INDOOR SKIING. As in that Pink Floyd song - what DID we trade... sheesh Hey, new energy solution changes the whole game. I could be wrong, I'm often wrong, I better not say I'm wrong about being wrong though, madness street. I just want to suggest I think TARP will take some GREAT percentage interest in citi, and they did want to keep a core at citi heh, OR I think Abu Dhabi will come in. It can't fail, heck - Abu Dhabi would buy citi as a hood ornament on a car if it gets to that. My question is when does citi show up on ebay ! (Look at this Martha, says here citi is for sale, here on ebay, says quantity: 20)
Jerimiah
I bet TARP tries to bring citi above $5 by 4 pm today.
Jason
Come and listen to a story about a man named the Fed A money printing press, to keep the the subprimes fed, Then one day he was messin round with rates, And up through the roof came a bubbling debt fate. Debt that is, fools gold, ain't worth a pea. Well the first thing you know ol Fed's a lookin scared, Bankfolk said "Fed, throw some money everywhere" Said "Washington is the place the debt should be" So they loaded up the truck and moved the public into caves. Holes in Hills, that is, dark and dirty, gloomystairs. Well now its time to say good by to Fed and all his kin. And they would like to thank you folks fer kindly droppin all your taxes in. You're all invited back a gain to this locality To have a heapin helpin of their hospitality If you're to big to fail that is. The rest of yas, Take your shoes off, get used to walkin barefoot Y'all come back now, y'hear?.
SlimButtes
I've been reading your blogs lately... great common sense for those of us without a lot of business acumen. This one I found particularly enlightening. Kudos.
bob
Believe it or not Citi's mortgage business made good loans. It's the investment bankers that bought the subprime, CDO, and SIV disaster on for the fee income.
Joe Plummer
The mortgage business had a good thing with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. We all benefited from it, but its sounds like investment bankers hijacked the mortgage business and bought up a bunch of junk subprime and sold it as prime (AAA) securities. Its the junk bond scenario all over again. Why did the bank regulators let banks participate? Please tell me somebodies going to jail. Where was congress, the rating agencies, etc..... Remember come election dump your congressman (e.g., Barney Frank)!
JJ Mclure
im a shareholder so im biased of course. but, i have to say it doesn't look good for common shareholders. the bank will definitely survive. no question. but the dilution of the common shares from dubai or tarp will be devastating. even if citi survives the stock will probably be worthless. i have already written off the stock as gone. and moved on to revovery. i'm done as an individual invester. i don't trust the competence or the fiduciary repsonsibilty of wall street, gov't or capitalism anymore. i have what's left in my 401k mutual funds but i'm going to just save cash the old fashioned way now. probably be ok.
aaron
Hard to believe now that this whole mess was caused simply by people not paying their bills, whether it be banks, insurance companies, or homeowners.
tim
i wish in an article on a business web page that they would explain what happens to an individuals bonds, and preferred stocks if a company is sold, or broken into pieces. everyone keeps saying just let them go bankrupt. well many elderly people live off preferred stock interest. they are getting thrown out in the street with the bankruptcies, and it seems they are the last ones people or gov't care about. tim
You stupid people
You people who are getting on here saying bad crap about this bank are a bunch of retards. This is one of the largest banks in the World and I think it is so dumb the way Fox news is talking down about them. There are several things that has caused this mess that the big America is in. One of the top is stupid politicians lining there pockets and along with that are people who knew good and darn well they could not afford the morgage payments on there big fine houses but yet they took the loans anyway. The other thing that has hurt people is buying these big cars that guzzle gas and the way the big gas companies screwed all of us. This country will always be the way it is right now unless people stop being so freakin greedy and turn back to the principles this country was founded on. So all you nay sayers and stupid fox news just take those words and suck on them until your face turns blue!!!!!!!!!! Then pay your bills!!!!!!