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- Elizabeth MacDonald is the stocks editor for Fox Business Network. She is recognized as one of the top prize-winning business journalists in the country, and has received 14 awards, including the top prize in business journalism, the Gerald Loeb Award for Distinguished Business Journalism, and the Newswomen's Club of New York Front Page Award for Excellence in Investigative Journalism.
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Ted Sherman
Elizabeth, I am not for these bailouts but we must remember some important facts. Everybody is talking like this is just a bad recession. It isn't. It is a government created recession. It started with Fannie and Freddie. Everything that has collapsed stems from that mess. Would retail chains be hurting if it was not for this or would the cities be hurting for money if banks didn't have any of these toxic assets? The car companies I hate to tell people were making cars the public wanted up until the oil crisis that put gas at $4.00 a gallon. I don't like this bailout, but we have to be cognizant of the underling reason for the mess. President Bush is trying to do the best he can under circumstances he tried to warn us about. You should have Frank, Dodd, and the other democrats on air and ask how they sleep at night for the mess they helped create. You business anchors now the right questions to ask so ask these criminals. NOW!!!!!!!!!!!
Ken Kesler
Let's drop back a moment. The ONLY culprit in all of this is the US Congress. They voted (were bribed) in 1977 and again in 1999 to destroy Glass Steagall and then encouraged mortgages be made available to anyone regardless of their ability to pay. To be sure this was taken advantage of but they only did what congress encouraged them to do. Solution: Never, ever vote for an incumbent politician again. Secondly there has not been one word about what would happen if we just did nothing and let capitalism run it's course. The Gvt is living proof of the "Law of Unintended Consequences". They just do not understand that you cannot "help" in one area without hurting something else.
TERRENCE
This story made me feel woozy. Wonder why GM is losing "billions"?? Would you believe that 12,000 workers who were "laid off" and replaced with robots on the assemsbly line are/were still being paid. Nice union benefit, eh? They were paid $73 per hour (which included the monetary equivalent to their "benefits"). Do the math, and you can see why GM must declare bankruptcy, evict the union thugs, and rebuild a legitimate organization. Many of those "poor" workers, may find employment when a better company emerges. Maybe all Americans should declare bankrupcty too and wait for "our bailout plan". What a disgrace! How could we have fallen so far down this slippery slope? Why do I sense the coming of a new American revolution? God help us....and for all of those who defy His existence, just keep waiting for our new and bigger government to help you.
Randy
EMac, Weren't you one of those preaching about how important this Capitol Infusement was? About how people against this were wrong, and would smirk every time someone(Cody) had something negative to say about this Handout, Bailout, Robbery, which you said was a Loan/Investment (?) to buy Distressed Mortgages and sell for a profit later. THIS IS, this is why I was against this Handout, Bailout, Robbery from the beginning. You agreed that the Tax Payers should foot this bill. Did you really think it was a One-shot deal? What did you think was going to happen with Big Government? I want the Fed to stop printing money for these companies! This is criminal and you were on board from the beginning. Save your victim speech for those less attentive and gullible. Randy
John
This is what happens when you have an ever growing government that has become so big and vested to the minorities that it cannot manage anything but SPENDING MORE. Get ready to hang on - cause in late January it will start getting worse. This is getting so ingrained in our society that the only solution may be R2, should we, those that pay for it all, desire to do that.
A Capitalist
Capitalism causes poorly run, non-competitive companies to go out of business. This saves everyone money since it rewards the best quality vs. cost producers. It over the long run lowers prices for all and then frees up capital and labor to be reinvested in more profitable areas and even new areas that previously didn't exist. The alternative is a world where we all endure higher prices and less efficiencies because gov't props up failing companies. Can you imagine if the gov't propped up horse buggy makers when Henry Ford was churning out Model A's and T's. Had this happened, it would've taken away money from people to buy cars and away from Henry Ford to re-invest into making a more efficient factory. Also, there'd eventually be a bunch of horse buggies sitting around that nobody wanted. Or worse, they'd sell the horse buggies really cheap and make it yet harder for the more productive and consumer desired car factory. In America the free market is made up mainly of the middle class. We are voting with our dollars against the bailout every day that someone pays less for a GM vehicle than what it takes for GM to make a competitive profit, or we don't buy one at all in favor of another brand. Let GM and any other automaker go into bankruptcy protection, reorganize and re-emerge more competitive. If they can't reorganize because they're in worse shape than we believe, let them go under. This will free up capital and labor to be used in more efficient/profitable pursuits.
Bobby V
Hey guess what, the Waltons do own a chain of banks called ARVEST!!! In a way, Wal-Mart is already in the banking business through the Walton Family, which owns 96% of Arvest Bank. Arvest operates over 200 branches in several states including in some Wal-Mart stores. Still this is not enough for a company that likes to conduct all of its business under one roof.
Pat
Right on Jason! (comment at 4:40pm on Nov 12th)I agree with your completely and I believe there are a large number of us out here that support your position on these issues. What a resounding message to our inept leaders in DC if a million or so Americans withheld our income tax until those dimwits become accountable. Would I continue to give my kids a weekly allowance if they were spending it irresponsibly? What is the difference....my young ones or the kids on Pennsylvania Ave? We the people do have the power if we can mobilize and collectively speak up to these crooks who refer to you and me as their constituents!!
Kim
There is more going on here than meets the eye. While we're handing money hand over fist to big banks, their competition is slowly falling to the wayside. Mortgage brokers are not receiving bailout money, by the way, and new legislation being introduced will wipe out who remains. Banks receiving millions and zero competition...what a plan! Almost half of republicans voted against this bailout and I think it's time we started bombarding our representatives with our unhappiness. They need to be worrying about their jobs, too. Or make a run on a bank that is still paying big bonuses. There are things we can do to protect ourselves with organization. We have to somehow be heard!
Kathy Kimball
Love the idea of a recall on our elected Congress. Please start with Pelosi. A true embarrassment to the female gender!!!!
Average Joe
This is really starting to look like corporate hostage holding for ransom. Let's call it what it really is folks. No need to super analyze it. If you employ many people, and claim that you will go under if the government doesn't give you money, isn't it the same as saying,"Give us money OR ELSE..."? Their bargaining chip is the the Average Joe's job, which sheds a little light on the real intentions of the Executive teams running these "businesses". One or more of these companies needs to learn that poor or illegal decision making doesn't get a government payout at the expense of the taxpayer. It gets you what you wanted when you started the company, a REAL free market which includes both a chance to succeed, and THE CHANCE TO FAIL.
KristaB
I think we need to let the Auto Makers fail. They have already received one bailout check. It's like blackmail, it will never be "enough". I am a hard working American and I pay my bills on time, and I know the consequences if I don't. No one is here to bail me out.
Tom from Georgia
To Comment by Steve Nov 12th, 2008 at 3:26 pm This country lost its way when it strayed from the foundations that made us what we were. Now, we aimlessly move about not knowing which direction to take and we make it up as we go. therein lies the problem. We’ve nothing to guide us. Not spiritually, not morally, and certainly not governmentally. I fear we are going to experience pain unlike any other time in our countries history. Bank on it - no pun intended. =================================================================== I agree completely with you but lets remember a few additional things. We have a huge population of people that don't want a moral code to live by. If they had one then they would have to be accountable for actions, decisions, etc. Many don't want that kind of responsibility. Secondly, we never learn from history and unfortunately because of ego and other hinderences we will never learn. Generation after generation will make the same mistakes of the past because they think they can handle it and do it better. Third, we have become inept, lazy and ineffective as a society. Look at how many company's are in trouble but the CEO and other high ranking people are getting sizable bonuses. This is greed and its considered acceptable. Besides this, it is acceptable to ignorantly blame the government for corporate problems. If you don't know why something happened and who is really responsible then you can't solve the problem.... In order for us to be a country we must define ourselves as a people. We refuse to do so because it wouldn't be politically correct. We will get out of this mess albeit it will takes at least a decade (likely to be longer). Later on in the 21st. century we'll make the same mistake again.
KT
Has to be done, no matter who was right or wrong. The problem is...there is one huge huge problem that Main Street USA has not yet felt the full implications of. The real trick here is how the Govt. moves forward and ensures all these companies are held accountable, cannot profit from this assistance and ensures the money they do get back comes with a large fee / interest comparable to what CC companies charge. Hopefully the Govt. will then use those funds to a.) pay off their debt and b.) put all "profit" into SS and medicare. It is a tough task and could turn out to be a master stroke or absolute nightmare. Let's trust it is the former.
MAtt R
The economic Whack-A-Mole must stop. During the election it seemed that small businesses were more important then the big businesses, so whose bailing out all of the "Joe the Plumbers" out there? No one.
Ken
Push NAFTA and free trade and bail out the companies it caused to go under. How smart is that? Free trade or buy USA, you can not be fair and have both.
Jan Ohio
I think the auto makers should get the bailout. They are the heart of this country, without them where would we be? Besides I think people think this is free money they are asking for. THIS IS JUST A LOAN.. THEY WILL HAVE TOO PAY THIS BACK.
Larry
What a great article. Just enough biting wit to help you smile as you read into what might not be too far off from our future as the United States of Bailouts.
D. Kirby
It is high time the UAW took a cut and tightened their belts like the rest of us. It is hi9gh time that ALL companies stop big bonuses for execs and do away with 2/3 of them. It's high time ALL you economic geniuses out there realize that a great majority of small businesses support the auto indrustry. It's high time we all realize that to build alternate fuel cars of the future, we will need someone who knows how to build cars in the first place....the BIG THREE!!!!!
D. Kirby
Why in the world would we give AIG another penny to send their execs on luxury outings to eat lobster! We need to let AIG drop dead and send the bailouts to GM, For and Chrysler. GM for one has made the decision NOT to put on an elaborate show and send its execs to LA for that auto show. Instead they will do the show in Detroit and save tons of money in the process. that way the execs can eat dinner in their own homes. To let the big three crash is criminal. Johnathon Honigman, on FOX Business, said "it's too bad that a lot of jobs will be lost but we can do without the big three". Is he a NAZI? Who's gonna build the battery and hydrogen cars of the future you moron? Save lives, bail out the big three and ask them to pay it back like Iacocca did in the seventies.
Ken
So let the car manufacturers fail and put the proposed money into unemployment benefits. Let Wall Street take its losses and dump the trillion dollars back to the taxpayers. It is nuts to reward the idiot companies who dug their own graves - especially with MY money.
michael stephenson
You have not seen anything yet. Wait unitl our newly selected president takes office and implements his 1 trillion dollar spending plan on top of the "bail out" plan. My advice to him and the Pelosi Cronnie Congress....SPEND BABY SPEND. After all is this not the americian way to cure our problems.
Capitalist1
I have been outraged from the start of this whole bailout process, but now it has gone too far. Who in the world can justify bailing out AMEX,a company who charges rates like these taken from their website: "The APR for Cash Advances is determined monthly by adding 17.99% to the Prime Rate. The APR for defaulted accounts is determined monthly by adding 23.99% to the Prime Rate." When they have taken you for all they can personally, they get the government to help them take more? Adam Smith was right, an economy left to itself, can heal itself. But government enablement turns big business into that sibling or neighbor you despise. You know the thirty year old who works maybe part-time, has the worst "luck" and parents who make more excuses than you can imagine. And Tom, who cares whether we pay these people unemployment or pay them to produce cars no one wants? With unemployment, their need for money will drive them to seek new sources of revenue. Auto employees are overpaid to begin with. Maybe they should have spent more of their time learning how to save a rainy day fund rather than helping their union demand a higher paycheck so they could have a fancier dinner. Everyone is in this mess together, it's time we all lie in the beds we made. Every, and I mean every, time the government steps in to a situation, they make it unfair to the majority. As a resident of NC, I know what happens when industries fail. What happened to our furniture and textile industries? What happens is, the prices of everything come into check and people become entrepreneuers. Which is why NC still has a thriving workforce. BTW, you might want to spend some time researching why those two industries fail to begin with, it was when our gov't changed the rules of the economic game. When are they ever going to learn to keep their hands off? Maybe when they have nothing to gain from their manipulations of the market?
Chris
Why don't we as citizens contact all of our representives in DC, and inform them to stop the bail out NOW!!!! If this dosent' work, contact them a second time informing them that in 7 or 10 days, all of us will go on strike from whatever jobs we have left. No one goes back to work until they stop all of the foolishness. If you need food or clothes, go take them. The police will be gone within a few weeks. Once enough of us quit paying all of our bills, all of the states will start to go broke. I know that my state only gets income from sales tax and property tax. How are they going to collect it if none of us are working and paying bills and we are taking what we need instead of buying it? Whats next the SBOP (State Bail Out Package)????? If they gave all citizens that actually have a job and actually pay taxes some of these billions, and then put us in charge we would not be in this mess to begin with. Why keep giving billions and billions to "children"???????? Does the goverment want anthor Boston Tea Party??? Are we going to have to start burning money as fuel because it ends up worth less than a fricken Peso? Or do they want to do control everything like Hitler and Mussileni? Are they going to make us start anthor civil war as an act of mercy? Do we really need to actually Read the Constitution and understand that goverment is supposed to be For The PEOPLE not for the Bad Companys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sorry for the long rant!!!!
Dave DuPree
Great piece, Elizabeth! A lot of pent-up frustration got released by reading this one. Perhaps the only silver lining in the coming Cat 5 storm will be the handful of gifted analysts who will continue to size things up and put into words – beautifully – what so many of us are thinking. This is one for the archives... to be read someday by a future Treasury Secretary or Federal Reserve Chairman who is writing his/her master’s thesis on how the Great Crater of 2008 could have been averted.