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		<title>By: Diane Alden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane Alden</dc:creator>
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		<description>Too much Jamie Dimon and banks, not enough basics, like making &#039;stuff&#039; small and regional companies including banks that did not make hyper profits but did it like the turtle - slow and steady wins the race. The spirit of American capitalism lives it just lives outside Washington and Wall Street. Plus American capitalism based on leverage or the next casino style financial instrument is due for an overhaul - never mind - toss it - it is toxic waste and should be thrown out along with other high flying ponzi schemes. Schemes and creative &#039;instruments&#039; that make a few people lots of money while expecting everyone else to pay the bill for excesses and irresponsibilty -- is irresponsible. Who care about Dimon, he is interchangeable with Paulson and Rubin and the rest of the bandits in Washington and Wall Street who got us into this disastrous mess. 


What will get us out? Maybe a little of what REAGAN did to build an economic future for American workersLife outside BIG mega transnational central over leveraged investor class in cahoots with BIG government clas -- THAT is what we need but I fear that is not what we are going to get .. at least from Washington and Wall Street. Flyover America is doing better than most people think . .because the DOW is not in hyperventilated territory forever does not mean the economic fortunes of the US are terminal. They might be if we depend on DC or Wall Street or central bankers in the major financials, Davos, London, New York et al to &#039;help&#039; us survive. Forget them . .time to go back to basics and not depend on the latest over leveraged financial scam to become prosperous rather than super rich or dependent on credit and consumerism for healthy long term ecnoomic growth. 

Out in America, like the state of Georgia, through boom and bust, life goes on pretty well. There are reasons for that - economic diversity not dependent on financials as defined by the UBER financial and banking class in cahoots with DC. Small banks and regional banks are still lending and have not lost their minds or their souls in hyper leveraged stock market based &#039;capitalism.&#039; A better system evolved over the years wherein states and local areas plus actions by RONALD REAGAN and state legislatures and communities created the condition for optimal long term growth, steady growth, come boom or bust... life and economy goes on. 

America does not need another stimulus package and certainly no stinking bailouts. Maybe what America needs is a new or improved  business model not based on Anglo-American casino capitalism…..like how’s about we MAKE stuff again rather than create yet one more phony financial instrument that blows up in our face. The way Anglo-American capitalism evolved .. indicates that a perfect free market will never exist as long as human nature is what it is. We should also learn our national interest, and good outcomes for the investor class, businessman, AND the US worker and taxpayer are important to the entire long term growth of the economy — particularly when it is the AMERICAN worker and taxpayer that ends up paying for the mistakes of the ’smarter than the rest of us’ financial class in cahoots with the BIG government inside the Beltway Iron Triangle!!! There maybe something we can learn from other economic models including the Japanese. While the pundtiry never ceases to whine about how AWFUL the Japanese investment picture is, how terrible their stock market has done, underneath the Japanese have a pretty strong economy that benefits the most number of people .. not just the short term hyper investor. 

Fox Business had Lockhart on one of the money shows this AM. He discussed how the Atlanta and Georgia areas would weather bad economic times better than most. There are reason for it that he didn’t go into but I will. 

Wonder why Atlanta and Georgia will weather downturns better than most????. A series of fortunate circumstances PLUS a mixed economy of MANUFACTURING [mostly Japanese companies] and service not totally dependent on retail, plus a good climate, no unions, conservative attitudes, work ethic, Coca Cola, Delta, CNN, lower living costs, drawing people from the North and Midwest through the years because of the living style in rural towns, simpler living, human attitudes towards people and communities, beautiful natural areas, and outside Atlanta - uncrowded conditions — AND a responsive state legislature that helped create conditions attractive to the Japanese and other foreign investors. BUT the Japanese arrived not so much because they wanted it but because Reagan demanded it. 

A confluence of events in the 70s and 80s allowed Atlanta and Georgia to do better consistently economically than most other US areas of boom and bust. But suffice to say — several events and actions by RONALD REAGAN helped to take Georgia’s positives and make them uber positives for foreign companies. Georgia is a right to work state. In the 70s and 80s Georgia’s rural towns south of Atlanta created tax free industrial zones wherein the counties and state developed industrial parks and promised companies which settled extra perks that would last for a number of years - including utilties. 

RONALD REAGAN played hardball with the Japanese when they were dumping product or ‘trading’ in a mercantalist fashion in the US - mostly cars and electronics, but Reagan said --enough!!! He IMPOSED SECTIONS 201 AND 301 OF THE 1979 TRADE ACT ON THE JAPANESE!!!!!!!! So what did the intelligent Japanese do? They didn’t go to Detroit or Massachusetts or Ohio for sure - labor costs too high but also a terrible ‘us agin them’ attitude between labor and management existed because of historical circumstances. None of that was present in the South. Unlike the last THREE presidents, Reagan was bright enough to be master of the DEAL in OUR favor!!! Although CATO pitched a fit…oh well..when nations do not play fair it is an intelligent leadership that plays hardball and screw ideology when only ONE side is playing by the ideological rules!!!!!

In the small towns south of Atlanta, Japanese managers took youngsters out of the local high school’s vocational tech programs, particularly machine shops and TRAINED them in high tech CNC programming techniques. This production type requires advanced skills and the Japanese took the time to develop those skills which also require advanced math skills applied to production. WHAT the high schools could not do,  the Japanese did do and the results were amazing. The fact that the Japanese do NOT have an adversarial business model that looks at employees as the enemy of profit  - helped a great deal. The Japanese mantra of ‘continuous improvement’ is an attitude that enhanced the prospects of the company and the workers who were encouraged to advance their skills. Pay was higher than most other pay for manufacturing jobs in the area and benefits - to this day - were absolutely the best around. The Japanese did not lay people off at the first sign of trouble, they held meetings to explain what was going on and asked for suggestions from the workers, management, and regular folks on how to keep going. They were rewarded with loyalty and creative input from their people. Having spoken to the normally reticent Japanese on their business model, they have a way of poor mouthing their efforts that irks, but in any event, the business attitude and model — works for everyone concerned. THANKS to Reagan’s guts which ran against the powers that be in BIG business - the Japanese built plants in the US. South of Atlanta, they include Yamaha and Nissan, and other Japanese companies that make product for oil and water facilities, now there also exist the attendant vendor sets that industry needs as well as all the other businesses that come when an area prospers. 

The Japanese are far better employers than most American employers because they do not look at employees like some lesser human being waiting to drain them dry. They look at employees as part of the company and hope that they stay and keep the proprietary KNOWLEDGE they acquire with the company. A few months ago, the CEO of a high tech Japanese manufacturing company came to a plant south of Atlanta recently to check things out. The American managers were proudly showing him the landscaping and new offices they had built. The CEO was quiet for awhile and then said - ‘that is all very nice but that is not what makes us money. It is what happens on the plant floor that makes us money, it is what your craftsmen produce that makes us money. Any further investment must go to improve what is produced on the plant floor including better more advanced machinery and better conditions that encourage good attitude among workers.’ “OH MY GOD!!! A CEO who gets it. What a shock! Too bad that attitude has been lost in American business which went abroad in search of ever cheaper labor and ever short term higher profit which included stagnant wages here, and little INPUT into improving capitol plant. Does it NOT seem strange to you, the Russians now own 10% of the US steel business and have managed to turn around a ’sunset industry’ through use of niche manufacturing????? No - the American model became about making profit by leveraging and buying businesses, selling off the lucrative parts and driving the rest into the ground. But that is why we are in the economic pickle we are in - American companies and Anglo-American business model lost its edge, can not see past the Dow and mega profits in the short term. You can not maintain a long term productive economy on credit based activities - Americans have to have good paying jobs where they feel they won’t be dumped when the company finds yet another cheap nation in which to produce. We dont need unions but we surely DO need a new attitude among the American capitalists. By the way - no country in the G-8, with the exception of Britain has gutted its manufacturing the way the US has. Diversity? You can not base an economy totally on consumerism or credit - and if we haven’t learned that from this latest debacle - we never will. 

Diane Alden
Carrollton, Georgia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too much Jamie Dimon and banks, not enough basics, like making &#8217;stuff&#8217; small and regional companies including banks that did not make hyper profits but did it like the turtle &#8211; slow and steady wins the race. The spirit of American capitalism lives it just lives outside Washington and Wall Street. Plus American capitalism based on leverage or the next casino style financial instrument is due for an overhaul &#8211; never mind &#8211; toss it &#8211; it is toxic waste and should be thrown out along with other high flying ponzi schemes. Schemes and creative &#8216;instruments&#8217; that make a few people lots of money while expecting everyone else to pay the bill for excesses and irresponsibilty &#8212; is irresponsible. Who care about Dimon, he is interchangeable with Paulson and Rubin and the rest of the bandits in Washington and Wall Street who got us into this disastrous mess. </p>
<p>What will get us out? Maybe a little of what REAGAN did to build an economic future for American workersLife outside BIG mega transnational central over leveraged investor class in cahoots with BIG government clas &#8212; THAT is what we need but I fear that is not what we are going to get .. at least from Washington and Wall Street. Flyover America is doing better than most people think . .because the DOW is not in hyperventilated territory forever does not mean the economic fortunes of the US are terminal. They might be if we depend on DC or Wall Street or central bankers in the major financials, Davos, London, New York et al to &#8216;help&#8217; us survive. Forget them . .time to go back to basics and not depend on the latest over leveraged financial scam to become prosperous rather than super rich or dependent on credit and consumerism for healthy long term ecnoomic growth. </p>
<p>Out in America, like the state of Georgia, through boom and bust, life goes on pretty well. There are reasons for that &#8211; economic diversity not dependent on financials as defined by the UBER financial and banking class in cahoots with DC. Small banks and regional banks are still lending and have not lost their minds or their souls in hyper leveraged stock market based &#8216;capitalism.&#8217; A better system evolved over the years wherein states and local areas plus actions by RONALD REAGAN and state legislatures and communities created the condition for optimal long term growth, steady growth, come boom or bust&#8230; life and economy goes on. </p>
<p>America does not need another stimulus package and certainly no stinking bailouts. Maybe what America needs is a new or improved  business model not based on Anglo-American casino capitalism…..like how’s about we MAKE stuff again rather than create yet one more phony financial instrument that blows up in our face. The way Anglo-American capitalism evolved .. indicates that a perfect free market will never exist as long as human nature is what it is. We should also learn our national interest, and good outcomes for the investor class, businessman, AND the US worker and taxpayer are important to the entire long term growth of the economy — particularly when it is the AMERICAN worker and taxpayer that ends up paying for the mistakes of the ’smarter than the rest of us’ financial class in cahoots with the BIG government inside the Beltway Iron Triangle!!! There maybe something we can learn from other economic models including the Japanese. While the pundtiry never ceases to whine about how AWFUL the Japanese investment picture is, how terrible their stock market has done, underneath the Japanese have a pretty strong economy that benefits the most number of people .. not just the short term hyper investor. </p>
<p>Fox Business had Lockhart on one of the money shows this AM. He discussed how the Atlanta and Georgia areas would weather bad economic times better than most. There are reason for it that he didn’t go into but I will. </p>
<p>Wonder why Atlanta and Georgia will weather downturns better than most????. A series of fortunate circumstances PLUS a mixed economy of MANUFACTURING [mostly Japanese companies] and service not totally dependent on retail, plus a good climate, no unions, conservative attitudes, work ethic, Coca Cola, Delta, CNN, lower living costs, drawing people from the North and Midwest through the years because of the living style in rural towns, simpler living, human attitudes towards people and communities, beautiful natural areas, and outside Atlanta &#8211; uncrowded conditions — AND a responsive state legislature that helped create conditions attractive to the Japanese and other foreign investors. BUT the Japanese arrived not so much because they wanted it but because Reagan demanded it. </p>
<p>A confluence of events in the 70s and 80s allowed Atlanta and Georgia to do better consistently economically than most other US areas of boom and bust. But suffice to say — several events and actions by RONALD REAGAN helped to take Georgia’s positives and make them uber positives for foreign companies. Georgia is a right to work state. In the 70s and 80s Georgia’s rural towns south of Atlanta created tax free industrial zones wherein the counties and state developed industrial parks and promised companies which settled extra perks that would last for a number of years &#8211; including utilties. </p>
<p>RONALD REAGAN played hardball with the Japanese when they were dumping product or ‘trading’ in a mercantalist fashion in the US &#8211; mostly cars and electronics, but Reagan said &#8211;enough!!! He IMPOSED SECTIONS 201 AND 301 OF THE 1979 TRADE ACT ON THE JAPANESE!!!!!!!! So what did the intelligent Japanese do? They didn’t go to Detroit or Massachusetts or Ohio for sure &#8211; labor costs too high but also a terrible ‘us agin them’ attitude between labor and management existed because of historical circumstances. None of that was present in the South. Unlike the last THREE presidents, Reagan was bright enough to be master of the DEAL in OUR favor!!! Although CATO pitched a fit…oh well..when nations do not play fair it is an intelligent leadership that plays hardball and screw ideology when only ONE side is playing by the ideological rules!!!!!</p>
<p>In the small towns south of Atlanta, Japanese managers took youngsters out of the local high school’s vocational tech programs, particularly machine shops and TRAINED them in high tech CNC programming techniques. This production type requires advanced skills and the Japanese took the time to develop those skills which also require advanced math skills applied to production. WHAT the high schools could not do,  the Japanese did do and the results were amazing. The fact that the Japanese do NOT have an adversarial business model that looks at employees as the enemy of profit  &#8211; helped a great deal. The Japanese mantra of ‘continuous improvement’ is an attitude that enhanced the prospects of the company and the workers who were encouraged to advance their skills. Pay was higher than most other pay for manufacturing jobs in the area and benefits &#8211; to this day &#8211; were absolutely the best around. The Japanese did not lay people off at the first sign of trouble, they held meetings to explain what was going on and asked for suggestions from the workers, management, and regular folks on how to keep going. They were rewarded with loyalty and creative input from their people. Having spoken to the normally reticent Japanese on their business model, they have a way of poor mouthing their efforts that irks, but in any event, the business attitude and model — works for everyone concerned. THANKS to Reagan’s guts which ran against the powers that be in BIG business &#8211; the Japanese built plants in the US. South of Atlanta, they include Yamaha and Nissan, and other Japanese companies that make product for oil and water facilities, now there also exist the attendant vendor sets that industry needs as well as all the other businesses that come when an area prospers. </p>
<p>The Japanese are far better employers than most American employers because they do not look at employees like some lesser human being waiting to drain them dry. They look at employees as part of the company and hope that they stay and keep the proprietary KNOWLEDGE they acquire with the company. A few months ago, the CEO of a high tech Japanese manufacturing company came to a plant south of Atlanta recently to check things out. The American managers were proudly showing him the landscaping and new offices they had built. The CEO was quiet for awhile and then said &#8211; ‘that is all very nice but that is not what makes us money. It is what happens on the plant floor that makes us money, it is what your craftsmen produce that makes us money. Any further investment must go to improve what is produced on the plant floor including better more advanced machinery and better conditions that encourage good attitude among workers.’ “OH MY GOD!!! A CEO who gets it. What a shock! Too bad that attitude has been lost in American business which went abroad in search of ever cheaper labor and ever short term higher profit which included stagnant wages here, and little INPUT into improving capitol plant. Does it NOT seem strange to you, the Russians now own 10% of the US steel business and have managed to turn around a ’sunset industry’ through use of niche manufacturing????? No &#8211; the American model became about making profit by leveraging and buying businesses, selling off the lucrative parts and driving the rest into the ground. But that is why we are in the economic pickle we are in &#8211; American companies and Anglo-American business model lost its edge, can not see past the Dow and mega profits in the short term. You can not maintain a long term productive economy on credit based activities &#8211; Americans have to have good paying jobs where they feel they won’t be dumped when the company finds yet another cheap nation in which to produce. We dont need unions but we surely DO need a new attitude among the American capitalists. By the way &#8211; no country in the G-8, with the exception of Britain has gutted its manufacturing the way the US has. Diversity? You can not base an economy totally on consumerism or credit &#8211; and if we haven’t learned that from this latest debacle &#8211; we never will. </p>
<p>Diane Alden<br />
Carrollton, Georgia</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your money is obviously safer in a Chinese bank account and that is a fact. Paulson and the administration continuously mislead voters. The root cause of the financial crisis was lack of regulation. You can get a ticket for Jay Walking but there is no regulations that control the banks from over leveraging and making bad investments. If you want safety put your money in a Chinese bank account. 

Forcing Banks to dilute shareholders ownership is again a wrong decision. There needs to be steps to boost shareholder value not destroy it. There would be no markets without shareholders. Vote all the politicians that were involved in creating (not preventing it) the financial crisis and then failing to fix it properly out of office now. Get the incompetent politicians out of office now. Control your government or it will control you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your money is obviously safer in a Chinese bank account and that is a fact. Paulson and the administration continuously mislead voters. The root cause of the financial crisis was lack of regulation. You can get a ticket for Jay Walking but there is no regulations that control the banks from over leveraging and making bad investments. If you want safety put your money in a Chinese bank account. </p>
<p>Forcing Banks to dilute shareholders ownership is again a wrong decision. There needs to be steps to boost shareholder value not destroy it. There would be no markets without shareholders. Vote all the politicians that were involved in creating (not preventing it) the financial crisis and then failing to fix it properly out of office now. Get the incompetent politicians out of office now. Control your government or it will control you.</p>
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		<title>By: lisa   money</title>
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		<dc:creator>lisa   money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 01:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I READ THIS ARTICLE EARLIER IN THE DAY AND IT STATED THAT JAMIE IS BEING CONSIDERED TO BE OBAMAS FINANCIAL ADVISOR IF HE MAKES IT TO THE WHITE HOUSE.
JAMIE SENT OUR CALL CENTERS JOBS OUT TO THE PHILIPINES RECENTLY SO 450 PEOPLE HAD TO SCRAMBLE FOR JOBS IF THEY COULD GET ONE. DEAR OLD JAMIE DOES NOT CARE ABOUT KEEPING JOBS FOR AMERICANS. HE CARES ABOUT MONEY FOR HIM. OBAMA BETTER THINK TWICE BEFORE HE GIVES JAMIE THAT JOB.  BY THE WAY MC CAIN IS MY SELECTION. AND HIS VP PICK UNDERSTANDS THE AVERAGE AMERICAN MORE THAN ANYONE IN THE WHOLE CONGRESS. obama says he will keep the jobs in america yeah sure..........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I READ THIS ARTICLE EARLIER IN THE DAY AND IT STATED THAT JAMIE IS BEING CONSIDERED TO BE OBAMAS FINANCIAL ADVISOR IF HE MAKES IT TO THE WHITE HOUSE.<br />
JAMIE SENT OUR CALL CENTERS JOBS OUT TO THE PHILIPINES RECENTLY SO 450 PEOPLE HAD TO SCRAMBLE FOR JOBS IF THEY COULD GET ONE. DEAR OLD JAMIE DOES NOT CARE ABOUT KEEPING JOBS FOR AMERICANS. HE CARES ABOUT MONEY FOR HIM. OBAMA BETTER THINK TWICE BEFORE HE GIVES JAMIE THAT JOB.  BY THE WAY MC CAIN IS MY SELECTION. AND HIS VP PICK UNDERSTANDS THE AVERAGE AMERICAN MORE THAN ANYONE IN THE WHOLE CONGRESS. obama says he will keep the jobs in america yeah sure&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: NewPage</title>
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		<dc:creator>NewPage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 06:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just checked globals

I&#039;d say MY take we&#039;re going down 800 today.

You PROBABLY don&#039;t want to publish that.

Bretton Woods III I see coming out of ECB

well well well

Wonder if the debt will be settled first.

OR if some &#039;new&#039; model will somehow ? 

erase it ? no... obfuscate it ? yes.</description>
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<p>I&#8217;d say MY take we&#8217;re going down 800 today.</p>
<p>You PROBABLY don&#8217;t want to publish that.</p>
<p>Bretton Woods III I see coming out of ECB</p>
<p>well well well</p>
<p>Wonder if the debt will be settled first.</p>
<p>OR if some &#8216;new&#8217; model will somehow ? </p>
<p>erase it ? no&#8230; obfuscate it ? yes.</p>
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		<title>By: Corey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Corey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 05:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one will be prosecuted because everything done to get us here was LEGAL.  Don&#039;t you understand that?  The whole thing should have been allowed to fail and correct.  Now, current retirement accounts and future generations are going to be paying for this and dealing with its long, drawn out recovery for decades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one will be prosecuted because everything done to get us here was LEGAL.  Don&#8217;t you understand that?  The whole thing should have been allowed to fail and correct.  Now, current retirement accounts and future generations are going to be paying for this and dealing with its long, drawn out recovery for decades.</p>
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