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- Elizabeth MacDonald is the stocks editor for Fox Business Network. She is recognized as one of the top prize-winning business journalists in the country, and has received 14 awards, including the top prize in business journalism, the Gerald Loeb Award for Distinguished Business Journalism, and the Newswomen's Club of New York Front Page Award for Excellence in Investigative Journalism.
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Hillbilly #3
Well, It seems while our alleged president was enforcing regulation chasing nameless faces in unknowable places in the desert ? He was letting those nameless faceless CDO's just fly right out of the country to be laundered. Gee Free Markets - HA yeah - that's like anarchy right ? Last I checked 'the left' in latin means Sinister - and throughout history - we've had this model of the 'left' being sinister, chaotic, anarchy - and the right being orderly - just etc. And here ? the 'Conservatives' want to let crime run free in the streets ! Or wait, regulation is ok if it's protecting someone taking your 40 inch TV BUT it's not ok if it's preventing you from passing off in 40 billion in CDO's. Seems this 'god' that 'loves' the conservatives (the classic answer to wealth - why ? god loves me, that's why !), doesn't like banking ! ?
Hillbilly #3
From Jeff above: You don`t have to have a Princeton education to know someone making $50,000 a year can not afford a $400,000 home. Gee, my 50 to 1 ratio for fannie and Freddie allows you to own a 2.5 million home using their math on 50k a year. I see Liz MacDonald has a 100 to 1 ratio for Fannie and Freddie on debt to assets. I wasn't aware the US is up to about 60 trillion in debt. That's a lotta interest, maybe it's time for the new world order ! lol
Hillbilly #3
So, How's Uraguay these days ? citi is next. Welcome to God's plan for the people of this nation. Anyone seen Neil Bush ? People want free markets, let them have free markets, and let's abandon law too ! oh wait - we already have. Yeah, Seems anywhere religious fundamentalists show up, EITHER side, here we have great back room violations of the kids. I often question why some people need to be saved so bad. From what ? Themselves ? I just finished watching a Palin video on youtube, some preacher flipping out demanding God MAKE Palin win the governor election. You know ? The system itself will break before these nutcases realize they can't harness it anymore to exploit it. Good going phony rhetorical conservatives, you're not Bob Dole, you're phony.
Connie
You can save Wall Street or you can save the dollar. But you can't save both. We are facing the financial collapse of the United States of America if this bailout is passed. For those who don't understand this, hyperinflation of the money supply by the Federal Reserve will devalue the dollar. It doesn't have far to go before it collapses completely. Welcome to 1989 Soviet Union collapse. Yes, we will face a severe recession if we don't pass it, but like Ron Paul said about the 1921 Recession, the market then was allowed to correct itself and it only lasted about a year. The Great Depression was caused by prop-ups just as what is happening today but they weren't in a neverending war. The dollar was partially still backed by something. And they didn't have a massive deficit as we do now. I have savings in AIG and am willing to give it all up to save my daughter's future. I am not interested in saving Wall Street. I am interested in saving the Constitution and the United States of America. Let not this bloodless coup continue! Let it not be said our forefathers died in vain!
jeff saturday
Don`t forget Sen. Dodd saved $80,000 on a mortgage from Country Wide because he was in the "Friends of Angelo" crowd , and now I hear he is ready to announce they have reached an agreement on the seven hundred billion dollar bailout bill , and he is talking about oversight ????
jeff saturday
In Port Saint Lucie Fl. homes that were bought for $400,000 in 2005 are now for sale for $120,000 what is the government going to pay for these defaulted on mortgages , and who is going to pay for the taxes and maintenance , these seem like valid questions , and where were these congressman and senators while their constituents were buying these homes they coudn`t afford . You don`t have to have a Princeton education to know someone making $50,000 a year can not afford a $400,000 home.
Dave Meleshko
I cannot believe everyone is missing the point here. 1/ The banking system is seizing up as no one is lending 2/ The federal government wants to unstick the system 3/ Taxpayers/ citizens do not want to be on the hook for it Here is a simple solution Have the $700 Billion available and set up a new bank and instead of buying up nebulous paper of unknown value from the folks that created the mess, write up good loans and mortgages to qualified individuals or companies. Make sure (like the solvent , safe banks) that due dilly is done with respect to abaility to pay, asset quality etc. This would allow legitimate lending to go on. In the meantime, the mess could clean itself up as Bankruptcies etc, allow assets to be sold and thereby a market created for those assets. It may result in legitimate buyers getting financing from the feds bank Finally, the feds can sell their quality paper at a profit to private institutions and wind itslef down. All the while that this is occurring, the government can take an appriopriate amount of time to set up new rules and regs that work in the 21st century and are enforceable.
Mark
Anger, Rage, Fear, jealously are dangerous combinations in today's marketplace. I do not believe that many have fully thought through the bailout (which should not be named such) and what it means. In many respects, we have all benefited or contributed to these issues. The government and joe public were screaming about their "rights" for home ownership. Originators, lenders, fannie and freddie, gov't, etc allowed for the creation of exotic loan structures. We went from 64% home ownership to 69% homeownership. This 5% change boosted the economy as houses were being built, supply lines were flowing. Everyone made out. When interest rates were at or near historical lows, the "exotics" made it easy for people to stretch into their homes. Unfortunately, these people never should have been allowed to get these loans. The economy would not have grown as fast but it would have been stable. Now the good timely paying mortgagees who stretched but did not overstretch will have to deal with this injustice. Life isn't fair but are we going to let a 5% variance plunge us into a great depression. Credit is tightening, HELOCs are being pulled when homeowners are not finished with their projects. Most companies pay their people using lines of credit as their customers often do not pay for 60-120 days after invoicing. If the LOCs are tightened or removed, can you live without 3-4 months of salary. I am sick of people would do not feel this will affect them. It will. The rich, middle-class, and poor are so interconnected domestically and internationally that something has to be done. My hope is that the investment (not bailout)will result in banks having the liquidity to make loans, private investors will see a real way to value a CDO/CMO thus making them desirable at their current value thus furthering liquidity, oversight and regulation will improve (to the correct level), albeit unfair mortgage rates/terms will be renegotiated so the foreclosures slow or stop, houses become a buy now that the market has regained its footing. In the end, the citizens receive payouts on the CMO/CDOs or sell them as the market regains its footing. This option is our only current option or we all go down together. Once we fix this, the nation should then focus on the creating of jobs in the energy markets.
Hillbilly #3
At some point ? China will say: "Look, No Treasury auction any more. You start selling national forest and assets" "We take Yellowstone ? how you say it ? for 500 Billion.
Hillbilly #3
Somewhere in a 600 level course at Johns Hopkins or SOMEWHERE - Terrorism is being examined as the shadow of nationalism. And here ? In a global arena ? it does not exist anymore. Yet ? What did the US expend itself on the last 7 years ? fear - isolationism - my god - if the US were to walk into a psychiatrists office ? The Eli Lilly script note pad would be slapped on that desk SO fast to put America on Prozac for this bipolar madness. I've ALWAYS agreed with Greenspan that a health human being can't function without hope. You start running media resources constantly day in - day out - promoting fear the terrorists ? Hey If THAT is the nation state YOU live in, and THAT is how YOU spent your last 7 years (and it's not 'end days' after all) ? Hey, the US can't function in this state of perpetuated fear and protectionism. I find it puzzling. Those that dealt the sub primes - oh - very well used global channels to distribute. Yet - oh no ! America ! Protect ! what ? protect what ? we've been FLEECED Hasn't anyone stopped to smell the China isn't buying at auction bush ? It REALLY doesn't help that Paulson came from well wherever he did come from.
Hillbilly #3
This article left out the nation state scorecard. I read today: "Superpower no more? American dominance likely to erode as global financial system becomes "more multi-polar," German minister says." Gee you know ? Was THIS the REAL homeland protection strategy ? Devalue the nation state so that even the terrorists won't find the US a class A nation state to target ? thereby passing it up for other more valuable assets ? I guess I'm suggesting, what's left to target ? or take ? or threaten ? We failed to 'get' the move to globalism - US citizens were continually fed useless dichotomous protectionism lines from both sides. Now that the global economy has been tested for thorough laundering of ALL our current sub prime products we're discovering who was holding the LAST ownership on ? Gee, whole lotta people made a whole lotta money and I figure the nation state was squandered in the process. I look at it like this. Once you realize sea level rise expectations ? You can kiss a lot of PRIME coastal property good bye. By analogy ? Once you see the threat to the US dollar ? Through this latest laundering technique using the US Treasury ? you can kiss a prime nation state goodbye. It's not a disaster, it's just unfortunate America wakes up a little to late to realize the graduation ceremony has already begun to globalism. that's a fact jack.
CM
Maria - very well spoken, to that I would add: RE: Wesbury suggestion. While I am not fully in support of this bailout as I understand it to be at present, I have to say from a practical standpoint, changing accounting practices is a worse option. Wesbury makes it sound simple, however, he is talking about changing an accounting practice that could cost the financial institutions millions to adjust the technology and practices in place today. Why would you add more financial burden to already failing institutions. In this world nothing comes for free and you have to work at it to be successful. Congress should really take a step back over the last decade or so and see that obviously, they failed miserably at trying to build a politically correct US. If laws hadn't changed requiring institutions to lend more and if the consumer had taken on responsibility of knowing full well they could not afford the debt they were incurring, the crisis would not be as dior. Would it still need revamping, absolutely, but there would be time to put a well thought out plan in place. I pay my bills, have A1 credit, pay my taxes (on an overinflated property) and contribute to my retirement. Right now it seems as though I should walk away from my house, max out my credit buying everything under the sun and forget about paying any of it back. I can simply buy the house back at a foreclosure sale and pay half the price I'm paying for it now. Hmmm. sounds fair to me. Actually, I think the government should allow every existing homeowner to write down 50% of their mortgage and allow everyone to refinance at let's say 2%. To all who have already walked away, they can buy again another day at standard interest rates. To me, that would be fair for the entire US economy. Talk about putting money back in --- people would be able to pay cash ! novel idea. I'm getting off my soapbox now. Call it nerves or whatever, but I am so angry right now at all who have contributed to this crisis and the fact that they continue to help those that shouldn't be getting helped in the first place because they don't bother to try to help themselves. They just want to reap the benefits. Don't we all?
steveo
Clinton's made $100Million In past 6 years so to did the Former Director of Freddy Max Also a Former Employer of Bill Clinton Made $90Million in past 6 years
Erwin Williamson
What if this Mortgage Meltdown didn't just happen? What if the entire mess was cunningly engineered by parties wielding vast sums of wealth who aren't necessarily friendly to the free world? Shouldn't this albeit far-out scenario at least be considered, and hopefully debunked by Fox news? I'm just asking the question.
David Harrell
Four main considerations: 1. Wall Street is literally a 100% gambling den. It has no other reason to exist. 2. Making money from money is pure inflation. 3. Bad mortgage paper is only a smaller portion of the entire "exotic instuments" portfolio that money markets now carry. Stay tuned for yet more, and more, and more, and more, and more.............. 4. Avarice recognizes no boundary, no affiliation, nor argument. It is virilent, incurable, and pandemic; something that even money cannot buy. The poor strive, the sated deny, and there are no rich.
Brutus
Chickens coming home to roost, no accountability on the part of the mortgage deadbeats, no accountability by the ignorant bankers, no accountability on the part of government - no responsibility for actions, just hide the consequences in a collective committee and defer yet another failure by the "experts" Most have worked hard and long to pay their mortgages now those that didn't get a free ride, most have worked have worked long and hard to pay their taxes and now the money will go to those in business and government that failed - confidence in what? We have bankrupted the country- taxes to deadbeats, taxes to illegals, taxes to crooked politicians, taxes to corrupt executives - maybe its time to just "close the window"
Brutus
Chickens coming home to roost, no accountability on the part of the mortgage deadbeat, no accountability by the ignorant bankers, no accountability on the part of government - no responsibility for actions, just hide the consequences in a collective committee and defer yet another failure by the "experts" - no confidence in the "elite" class Most have worked hard and long to pay their mortgages now those that didn't get a free ride, most have worked have worked long and hard to pay their taxes and now the money will go to those in business and government that failed - confidence in what? We have bankrupted the country- taxes to deadbeats, taxes to illegals, taxes to crooked politicians, taxes to corrupt executives - maybe its time to just to "close the window"
Lance Smith
Hell, no. No bailout. No corporate bailout. Fiscal conservative.
Ron Smothermon
Someone needs to be talking to the top economist in the country. On PBS two top economists, I believe one from Princeton and the other from another top University explained that we either needed to let the markets take care of the problem or if it is determined the markets are frozen, the Government can loan the money at interest. When a business has to borrow money, they have to prepare a loan package and show that they have the assets to support the loan and the ability to repay the loan. A business usually has to show a plan to pay back the loan, and a back up plan in case the primary plan fails. It is also normal for the lending institution to place restrictions on the borrower, restricting dividends, bonuses, salary increases, other borrowing, etc. Personal guarantees are also not uncommon. Loaning the money rather than buying assets of undeterminable value leaves the responsibility of collecting the questionable paper with the institution and not the government. It would be relatively simple to set up a board to approve loan requests on a case by case basis. Get some of the old line retired bankers who would never have done business like this generation. Also, I suspect that there may be a significant number of purely fraudulent loans on the books, supported by fraudulent documentation. Ron Smothermon Santa Fe, NM
maria
What I am not hearing is that it was the US Congress that allowed this to happen! Did the Democrats not ask for more flexibility in loaning to those individuals who may not have been approved in earlier times? Can we not go back to Jimmy Carter, among others, and and see this? When will this country wake up and realize that we "Wall Street" is in fact "Main Street". With the fall of Wall Street comes the fall of our economy. People need to live within their financial abilities, and that is the lesson here. Everyone is to blame, but the United States Congress needs to, from this point forward, pass legislation that is right for the Country, not what is right for their getting the votes!
Hillbilly #4
Hmm 50 billion to the kids or 700 to Paulson and his bald cronies ! People walked with HUGE profits on this. People rode Lehman down, people made fortunes shorting here. And now - the regulatory measures too little too late are called 'Everyone else cleaning up the mess from the adolescents'
Hillbilly #4
I do say John Stewart asked it well: "If it's socialism to give health care to kids who really need it ? " "Then why isn't this socialism ? "
Keene
I have my tent ready and know how to use it. This mess has already cost me plenty. Let's get it over with and find the bottom. I am worn out subsidizing politicians retirement plans and corporate golden parachutes. NO BAIL OUT!!!!
Max VanNatter
I think there is a hidden agenda here with the world money supply(credit) This seems to me to be the perfect storm for one world currency. First set up a situation where all banks are subject to failure, then issure credits based on current value of economies and issue new universal world money. They could abolish all world debt and start new. It sounds good except only 8 to 10 countries would be allowed to control the money supply thus own the world. Communications, Finance, Energy, Agra, and so on would be controlled by these countries thus the entire globe would be subject to there rules. Sounds strange well I have lived long enough already to see the TV, Internet, Space travel, cell phones, and the USA become a world joke. Max
chuck
I'm listening to the local AM talk show Live from the KLONDYKE and Democratic Realtor Ricky Caldwell can't handle the fact that his Democratic party is up to its nose with Freddie and Frannie Mae. They're talk about what this bailout is. What makes it funny I don't think they don't have a clue what is. They're chatting away on the bad mortgages.