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  • September 23, 2008 10:46 AM EDT by Elizabeth MacDonald

    The Bailout Scorecard

    "Common sense teaches that booksellers should not speculate in hops, or bankers in turpentine; that railways should not be promoted by maiden ladies, or canals by beneficed clergymen ... in the name of common sense, let there be common sense."--Walter Bagehot, 19th-century economist

    Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, Securities and Exchange chairman Christopher Cox and James Lockhart, director of the Federal Housing Finance Agency, all warned the economy and the markets would face severe distress if the Congress does not pass the Administration's $700 bn plan to bail out the financial industry.

    Fed chair Bernanke went so far as to warn the Senate Banking Committee today that a "recession" with a higher jobless rate and more foreclosures would ensue if elected officials fail to act.

    It's the first of two days of testimony for Paulson and Bernanke as they explain to Congress and the public the necessity of the financial industry rescue that could cost over a trillion dollars.

    The four take to Capitol Hill to defend the biggest pre-emptive fiscal strike that has ever been seen in the history of this country.

    It's a pre-emptive strike that is of a piece with this Administration, a bailout plan to ward off a potentially calamitous unwinding of the financial system due to massive leveraging by financial companies across the country.

    It is a debt load that has the stock markets and the economy lumbering through quicksand.

    The markets moved up and down during the hearing, over fear that Congress would delay the $700 bn government fund to buy toxic assets from banks, and also over worries the plan may not work to turn around the housing and credit crisis.

    Indications of a delay also sent the dollar higher, as the futures markets watched to see whether the plan would pass soon, which would start the government's printing presses, weakening the dolllar.

    Fed chairman Bernanke cut to the chase and moved to paraphrase remarks several paragraphs down in his prepared statement, saying: “Action by the Congress is urgently required to stabilize the situation and avert what otherwise could be very serious consequences for our financial markets and for our economy.”

    The concerns are real, the details complex.

    And chilling.

    Notably, SEC's Cox warns that the $62 tn credit defaults swaps "is regulated by no one," adding, "neither the SEC nor any regulator has authority over the CDS market, even to require minimal disclosure to the market." (Credit default swaps are essentially derivatives that insure other derivatives, like collateralized debt obligations).

    The Heart of the Crisis

    As the housing plunge has yet to find its bottom, the value of mortgage-backed securities has plummeted, triggering $514 bn in writedowns and losses that have left institutions with too little capital to support lending.

    The writedowns arose from a drunken daisy chain of paper kryptonite in the form of bad credit derivatives Wall Street's printing presses pumped out that have vaporized profits earned during the housing bubble.

    Many banks can't raise the money they need to finance lending and so are selling assets, hurting their earnings power and stock prices even more.

    Many shares in companies, including American International Group (AIG), Fannie Mae (FNM) and Freddie Mac (FRE), as well as Washington Mutual (WM), are trading at levels around the cost of a gallon of gasoline or milk.

    The writedowns and losses have been severe. For example, take a look at Bank of America's (BAC) balance sheet, which sports $1.7 tn of assets, but just $84 bn in tangible book value (the difference between "hard" assets and liabilities).

    That's a tiny amount to support that big book of business, a balance sheet now digesting Countrywide Financial and Merrill Lynch (MER).

    Amidst a firestorm of criticism, the US government is stepping in to save a free market that has turned into a free-for-all, with the government looking like a chaotic fire brigade hosing down crises with taxpayer money, raising voter anger hot enough to melt steel that the country is turning into the United States of Bailouts.

    A costly after-the-fact refereeing because Washington, plied with lobbyist dollars, does not have the intestinal fortitude to stop problems before they erupt.

    Wall Street's Reckless Borrowings

    Wall Street borrowed against its assets by a ratio of 30 to one, even 40 to one, a ratio which doesn't take into account the hundreds of billions of dollars of truly noxious subprime debt held in off-balance sheet vehicles, called structured investment vehicles (SIVs).

    The practice led one European official to wonder aloud that he thought off-balance sheet entities went the way of Enron.

    Some $55 bn is slowly bleeding back onto Citigroup's (C) balance sheet. Fannie Mae (FNM) and Freddie Mac (FRE) are believed to hold some $3.3 tn in hedges off their balance sheets, Wall Street analysts say.

    Indeed, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were the US economy's own off-balance sheet vehicle which only helped move the needle on the homeownership rate at some four percentage points over the last decade.

    Paulson is Angry

    "Am I angry that taxpayers are on the hook? Yes, I am angry taxpayers are on the hook, but taxpayers were already on the hook," by a potted financial system that Congress and the US government allowed to fester and sanctioned for years, Secretary of the Treasury Paulson testified, noting it's past time "to get to work" to fix the problems, and that he's talked to central bankers around the world to enact similar plans.

    The Thinking Behind the Plan

    The Paulson plan is to buy up to $700 bn in mortgage-backed securities and then auction them off to investors, which could put a floor under their price and stop the downward spiral in the credit markets.

    But no one knows what these assets are truly worth.

    If the Treasury underpays, banks would take write downs, hurting their balance sheets and ability to lend. If they pay too much to buy these assets from banks, taxpayers end up backing that overpayment to reckless financial companies who leveraged themselves up to the stratosphere.

    Treasury Wants It All

    The current plan would set up a huge fund, potentially costing $700 bn, answerable to the Treasury Secretary.

    Specifically, Paulson's plan says: "Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency...The Secretary is authorized to take such actions as the Secretary deems necessary to carry out the authorities in this act...without regard to any other provision of law regarding public contracts."

    It goes on to say, "Any funds expended for actions authorized by this Act, including the payment of administrative expenses, shall be deemed appropriated at the time of such expenditure."

    What to Watch Out For

    But a growing number of Congressmen want the fund to be run by an independent board, with oversight by the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency.

    Watch Congress move fast to dial back the blank-check powers Treasury now wants to arrogate to itself.

    In his opening remarks, Paulson testified: “You can be darn glad you gave us the bazooka,” referring to his own wording several months ago in the rescue of Fannie Mae (FNM) and Freddie Mac (FRE).

    Paulson then moved quickly to dismiss the idea that the Treasury was moving forward without oversight, noting that Treasury always took Congressional oversight into consideration.

    “We need oversight, we need transparency we need protection and we need it to get the job done,” Paulson said, adding the plan would save taxpayers money. “Again I’m frustrated the taxpayer is already on the hook and will suffer the consequences if things don’t work. The best protection is to have this work," adding he believes the plan "will protect taxpayers."

    Economist Edward Yardeni notes the Treasury's plan to auction off these distressed securities might work and save taxpayers money, as an auction would set "the lowest price from banks seeking to dump the worst of their portfolios on the government,” and also because it’s still unclear which investors will step forward to buy this distressed paper.

    Meanwhile, negotiations between the House and Senate and the Treasury are going on in advance so that both houses pass the same bill and it goes to the President right away.

    That's supposed to be this week, but House Financial Services Chairman Barney Frank (D-Mass.) says passage could slip into next week--something the markets would not like at all.

    The Details Being Hashed Out Now

    Along with adding things like more oversight, a growing number of Congressmen want companies who sell assets to the government to let taxpayers subsequently own shares in the company.

    Treasury secretary Paulson doesn't want the government buying equity stakes in participating companies as a condition for selling assets to the fund. This would augur towards, Paulson believes, only severely weakened companies taking part in the fund.

    Also, Senate Democrats want tighter measures to stop foreclosures, curbs on executive compensation and a change to federal law so that judges can modify a bankruptcy filer's primary residence mortgage, which lenders heatedly oppose.

    Under current law, judges may only modify loans on second homes. The lending industry has strongly opposed such a provision.

    An Optimistic Timeline

    According to a proposal from Senator Christopher Dodd (D-Conn.), the Treasury's authority to buy damaged mortgage-backed assets would last only one year, and would end by Dec. 31, 2009, versus the Treasury's proposal which asks for two years from the date of enactment.

    Both are overly optimistic.

    The Resolution Trust Corporation of 1989 and the early nineties, set up to liquidate 747 thrifts with assets of more than $350 bn, took about six years to do its work-out. It ended up costing more than $500 bn on an inflation-adjusted basis, more than its initial estimated $50 bn pricetag.

    President Herbert Hoover's Reconstruction Finance Corp. of 1931, in which the government stepped in to support lending by the manufacturing sector, including rail roads, a move which eventually didn't forestall a deepening of the Great Depression, took 21 years to unwind (though it eventually morphed into an effort to support World War II).

    Bernanke Backs the Plan--and Walks the Talk

    Fed chairman Bernanke testified he supported the Treasury's auction plan.

    He also testified about how marked-to-market accounting rules have triggered massive writedowns on mortgage-backed securities, as the rules say companies must pricetag these assets as if they were to sell them today. Since the markets remain frozen for them, the prices are fast bottoming out.

    Instead Bernanke noted “many banks” support "hold-to-maturity accounting," which means banks could sit on these assets and not have to value them under the marked-to-market rules, thus delaying the writedowns--or recording of profit--down the road until they actually sell these assets.

    Curiously, economist Edward Yardeni notes that since mid-March, the Fed has held on its balance sheet an asset identified as Maiden Lane, the portfolio of toxic assets acquired from Bear Stearns when it helped orchestrate the merger between Bear Stearns and JPMorgan Chase (JPM) last March.

    Yardeni notes that “apparently, the Fed isn’t obliged to mark to market [these securities] since the value of this portfolio is still $29 bn, the same as the original acquisition price.”

    Questions Arise

    Of course it can't be ignored that the US government has at least $40 tn in off-balance sheet debt in present value commitments owed on Social Security and Medicare (costing eventually some $99 tn, says the Dallas Federal Reserve).

    Now taxpayers back $5.4 tn in mortgages, too, from Fannie Mae (FNM) and Freddie Mac (FRE)--as well as an up to $80 bn credit line to American International Group (AIG), the $29 bn in securities taken on by the Federal Reserve in the Bear Stearns' rescue, and a potentially $700 bn bailout of distressed mortgage-backed securities.

    But perhaps (a thin reed of hope) the $700 bn may be a ceiling amount and the bailout may not cost that much, as already some $514 bn in losses and writedowns have been taken by banks and investment firms around the world. So, the debate is whether there are still $700 bn in mortgage-backed securities still to be bought.

    Economist Edward Yardeni and his team say some $600 bn in toxic assets (called "level 3" assets under accounting rules) still sit on Wall Street. It remains to be seen whether all of that sum gets dumped on the government (meaning, taxpayers).

    However, if some financiers have their way, the government would also swallow all sorts of credit-backed securities, of all stripes, namely credit card, student loan, even auto loan derivatives, costing taxpayers even more.

    That would be a bad move--fix the housing crisis first and the rest will follow.

    Secretary Paulson, when asked about this issue, testified the "vast bulk of our efforts should be aimed at mortgage securities" but that the Treasury asked for "broad authorities" to deal "with a variety of securities as needed," as the plan might aim at helping a broader range of assets in order to "free up the financial system."

    Other Questions Remain

    Will all 8,400 banks and thrifts have access to the new fund, or just the sickest ones, who decides which banks and thrifts are the most ailing and how does the government define that standard?

    Also, foreign banks with US backed securities evidently now have access to the portfolio, under the Treasury plan. But can hedge funds participate? Nothing on that just yet, though some Congressmen say no.

    And will the government publicize the names of companies unloading bad debt securities on the $700 bn fund? The Reconstruction Finance Corp. did, publicizing names of banks borrowing government money, triggering fears of a run on banks around the country.

    The Federal Reserve Opens the Barn Doors

    Meanwhile, Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke may have to answer questions to the fact that the Federal Reserve threw open the doors to investment in the US banking industry by letting private equity firms, with $400 bn in capital, sovereign wealth funds, with an estimated $2 tn to $3 tn in assets, and corporate investors buy stakes in banks.

    All in the hope that this would direct much-needed capital to the US banking sector.

    The Federal Reserve plans to raise the maximum stake a minority investor could take in a bank holding company from 25% to 33% in some instances and lift the ban on board representation for minority investors.

    Already, the private-equity firm TPG (formerly Texas Pacific Group) led a $7 bn investment in WaMu earlier this year. National City has benefited from private equity capital too.

    Buyout firms such as Warburg Pincus and Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co. have lobbied federal banking officials to loosen their restrictions, the Wall Street Journal reports.

    Private-equity firms are hoping to repeat the success some enjoyed after the savings-and-loan debacle in the late 1980s and early 1990s, when they bought S&Ls on the cheap and reaped big profits, the Journal reports.

    This raises conflict of interest issues. Would a Henry Kravis push a commercial bank to lend money to a risky, private client for a quick buck, and if that loan fails, would taxpayers be on the hook? (answer: yes).

    And will Congress let sovereign wealth funds buy controlling stakes in US banks?

    Will Congress, say, let the Russian sovereign wealth fund, the Kuwaiti Investment Authority, the SWF owned by Abu Dhabi, or China's SWF buy controlling stakes in US banks, after the US Congress has stymied foreign investments in US companies (earlier this year thwarting China's attempt to buy a stake in 3Com, for example)?

    What's Next for Wall Street Investment Banks

    Meanwhile, storied investment firms Goldman Sachs (GS) and Morgan Stanley (MS) have become boring old commercial banks in a day. They gave up on attempts to remain as the last two investment banks standing to become "bank holding" companies. Both already own industrial loan companies based in Salt Lake City, Utah that can easily be turned into banks, sources say.

    The move lets them gain access to bank deposits as a source of funds and also gain permanent access to Federal Reserve liquidity support via the discount window, access now on a temporary basis.

    The Fed's move comes as the discount window is under duress, with record borrowings, partly due to the Federal Reserve expanding the list of accepted collateral at the window.

    Also, the short-term collateralized loans in the repo market are also under strain due to the run on money funds, as these funds help fuel and provide liquidity to the repo market.

    In return for that access, the two must meet new, tougher capital ratio requirements, the amount of funds they must have on hand to do borrowings. To meet these tighter requirements, they'll either have to cut their leverage ratios in half or raise capital, or some combination of both. They are now levered around 20 to 1 to 30 to 1.

    Their business activities are more speculative than deposit-taking banks, so their capital ratios should be commensurate with their more risky ways of earning money.

    The two may potentially merge with smaller, more solid commercial banks, or continue to get funding from outfits like Mitsubishi UFJ Financial, which bought a 20% stake in Morgan Stanley for as much as $8.5 bn.

    The Office of the Comptroller of the Currency would oversee the commercial banking entities for Morgan Stanley and Goldman, while the Fed will be the key oversight agency for the two firms' overall capital levels and soundness. The central bank already oversees other major bank holding companies, such as the parents of Citibank and Bank of America.

    Here Comes Inflation

    The U.S. government will need to print money to pay for its new plan, which is why Treasurys are trading at record levels. The plan could add up to $700 bn to the money supply, blowing out the M3 portion of the overall money supply by nearly 10%. But $700 bn may not be spent.

    Whatever the sum, all of this will cause inflation. Which is why gold prices have soared higher by $40 an ounce and oil $16 a barrel-meaning more money for the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries [OPEC] and other oil producers, already seeing record receipts.

    A Better Way?

    Brian Wesbury, chief economist, First Trust offers this plan this morning-this is straight from his research report:

    All of this can be avoided if a system were put into place that allowed private companies to hold these distressed assets. Rather than a centralized holding place, why not use a decentralized one?

    Why not allow financial firms with structured (Tier 3), (EMAC: the most insolvent ones) assets issued between December 2003 and August 2007 to suspend mark-to-market accounting for those assets, and receive government insurance as a backstop?

    This would be a temporary solution, not requiring any ultimate change in Sarbanes Oxley or mark-to-market accounting rules, and the government could even make money by selling insurance with less risk to the taxpayer than buying them outright.

    In essence a firm could sequester, or firewall off these specific assets from the rest of its balance sheet, and either finance this itself, or bring in outside financing. The firm would promise to hold the securities to maturity, or until government insurance was no longer needed when it liquidated the assets.

    All of these deals could be settled in the private sector, in multiple locations with the government looking over the shoulder of each deal.

    If the rules had been relaxed a little bit for these specific assets, Merrill Lynch could have created its own private equity investment fund inside its corporate structure instead of selling at a huge loss to Lone Star, which created its own holding vehicle.

    This plan would leave mark-to-market accounting regulations intact. It would be a temporary change in the rules. Its most important attribute is that it leaves taxpayer powder dry for another day. It also allows the private sector to price assets in an environment that is not contrived and will help avoid the loss of, or government takeover of, more private firms.

    Even if the Treasury initiates an RTC-type vehicle, the slight changes in the accounting rules for these specific assets should still be made. If a firm does not want to accept the government bid for its distressed assets it would have an alternative.

    It would also create a level playing field because the Treasury does not have to mark-to-market. A competitive marketplace for these securities would insure the current holders that they would get a price that is not based on a fire sale.

    This plan stops the mark-to-market meltdown without undoing the good that mark-to-market accounting has done, protects the taxpayer, stops the losses at financial firms at a crucial time, and therefore helps end the shorting of stock and bonds that has kept the financial system on the rocks without making it illegal.

    Best of all it keeps the government from a massive and draconian step toward financial socialism.

Doug McPhee

Elizabeth, Mr. Westbury posits a very interesting alternative approach to the problem....has anyone in Washington DC looked at it? It actually looks like it makes sense, it the most cost effective, does not require Congressional approval.....can someone make a decision?

September 30, 2008 at 2:21 pm

RJG

Hey the market is up and the dollar is up. Still waiting for the end of the world. This while Europe is busy nationlaizing its banks.

September 30, 2008 at 2:01 pm

Rhonda Mullins

NO! to the Bailout. We know they are only trying to save there lined pockets and they are all in thick. We will vote you out if you do not kill this bailout!

September 30, 2008 at 1:41 pm

BobD

I see two problems that must be fixed in the bailout legislation: 1. The initial reason for the bailout is lending money to deadbeats under pressure from the lefty politicians. This has not changed so the problem will start up again once credit loosens. 2. The taxpayer is being asked to assume corporate risk. This risk is normal and MUST stay with the institutions who make the investments. Bankruptcy is normal and a proper tool to rid the corporate world of stupid companies - don't interfere with a normal process. Until these issues are formally dealt with the taxpayer will not be onboard - we're just not that stupid - DAH!

September 30, 2008 at 11:25 am

Sandy

Get over it ... NO BAILOUT!!! Let the Markets heal themselves. Let mortgages go into forclosure. Let businesses fail; if they have to borrow to meet their payrolls, they should not be in business. Far, far too much is being handled with credit. No sympathy for investor portfolios. Their managers got themselves into this mess; let them get themselves out. If mainstreet must get themselves out of debt, we'd have to take the hit ... so should the idiots who made bad investments.

September 30, 2008 at 11:15 am

John C

One way would be to stop the selling of mortgages as-in-finitum, when you make a loan you are stuck with it and you will be more careful about whom the loan is made to and what is their ability to repay it. Most of the mortgage companies could care less about the loan repayment as long as they get their commission.

September 29, 2008 at 4:10 pm

Jethro

Wait, Who are we kidding. Nature is free reign to violence. Free markets ? Give me a break. The universe- AND global derivatives btw - is a ZERO SUM GAME folks. Don't short humanity Jonathon, it is NOT in everyones best interests. Wow - What happened ? Did Fox News just BUY ? CNN news software ? and setup shop overnight with a few Regents ? Oh, and the icing on the cake Palin lets us know God has this ALL under control, and end days are near ! Yeah GOP - you phony conservatives full of useless never ending rhetoric (notice the similarity in style taken here in these posts ? )- Your message is just GREAT for the kids - "Jesus is coming, you can find refuge in Alaska, and don't worry, it's ALL in god's hands ?" And THAT is the plan ? Jesus + Free Markets ? Wow Wait, I thought a monarchical rule of the universe wouldn't allow for free markets ? What kind of unfiltered water are you people drinking over there at FBN ? What's next ? some rhetoric mongering right wing nut saying on one hand the Universe is monarchial rule ? but on the other we should idealize democratic rule ? By the end of the day, anyone with an IQ over 154 (my estimate), can see you have to be schizoid to be a Christian American supporting both monarchy AND democracy. It is fitting though, the current jeebushwhacker crowd- the Goodling Regent crowd that undermined and refitted the Dept. of Justice - drapes and all ! Under God ? (The drapes were to keep the non-believing citizens out of view from the window of the new Department of Justice for Christ) - really believes monarchy is the foundation for their democracy. Count me out, as Sgt. Hulka says as he jumps the truck in Stripes "I'm getting too old for this sshshhheeeee"

September 29, 2008 at 1:48 pm

Jethro

Dear 'Jonathon' of Fox Business News - oh wait, that would be a 'consultant' Fox makes SURE it has consultants - legal liability ya know ! (notice, no Fox News employees, all Fox News Contributors- pretty slimy eh ? These people hide like the slime they are, only after they've shoved their jesus loving tripp tripe in your facing saying - EAT IT) Dear Jonathon... Here is your first class ticket to the island of Lord of the Flies please enjoy no regulation and you hold on to those eye glasses pal... okay ? And if anyone on the island adopts a nick name Piggy for you ? Capitalist Piggy ? Perhaps ? you hold onto those eye glasses with all you got... Enjoy your stay Jonathon, the island is 100% free markets. BTW jonathon, do you also support 100 % freedom ? no law ? 100 % Anarchy ? So left of you Jonathon.. Oh wait, you're off thinking about actually honestly asking yourself some serious question on integrity eh ? I don't know Jonathon, I'm PRETTY sure I'd beat you in chess. I don't think you can think that far ahead pal.

September 29, 2008 at 12:35 pm

Joe Kassuba

The march to socialism by our country is very bad in my opinion. I grew up next to a railroad yard in Oxford Michigan and learned the difference between bums and hobo's. Hobo's were folks that were living with what they earned and had and were willing to work for food, Bums were not willing to live with what they had and were not willing to work for food-they preferred to steal or rely on others. We have become a nation of bums! We have made the same mistakes made by numerous societies by not remembering what history teaches. Increasing the size of government, not holding those that make blunders responsible, hiding and ignoring the truth , spending more than is in the bank and inflating value by creating false demand (hedge funds and not requiring hard asset collateral for loans and etc). Relying on others to do our work and provide for us and not being responsible for our mistakes. So the pill may not be easy to take but it is the best in the end. No bail out!! Make do with what we have! Use it up. Move from the bum camp to the hobo camp and get to work!!! I heard on TV Saturday one of the congressmen who is in the group that was responsible for writing the proposed bail out legislation say "I am not in the business of making money". This is the bum attitude and he needs to be fired because, that attitude does not protect the tax payer. We the citizens of the United States are responsible for what the government is today and we have let others do our job and been in the bum camp too long! I am not talking about politics but our attitude of spend spend spend and not earn earn earn. I am absolutely against this legislation and will not vote for any candidate that supports it.

September 29, 2008 at 12:32 pm

Dave C. from Texas

Congress got us into this mess several years ago when lending regs were "relaxed" so that more and more of the general public could afford housing. The liberals led the way and the conservatives didn't fight hard enough to strike down the legislation that allowed these toxic loans. Congress needs to look into the mirror then dig into their own pockets for this bailout. This is a prime reason for term limits in congress. It's time for a complete turnover on Capital Hill. We should hold our politicians accountable. Then you have the greedy executives that took advantage of the system knowing that one day we would be in this debacle. They knew that interest rates were at 40 year lows when they made ARM loans. They knew that those that were borrowing would eventually default on the loans due to income limitations, little down payments, borrower's history of bad credit, marginal qualifications, etc. However, they still made the loans. The executives running these companies should also be held accountable. Then, there's the stupid consumer. When one is looking to finance a home and the mortgage company provides a "good faith estimate" of the monthly cost (including taxes and insurance), it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know whether or not the home fits the borrower's budget. It's time to quit living for today, spend a little time thinking what may happen down the road, and being more fiscally responsible. It's not all about you!! It's time for us to hold the stupid consumer accountable for their irresponsible actions!!

September 28, 2008 at 7:28 pm

jeff saturday

THE WASHINGTON HILLBILLIES Come and listen to my story bout a man named Dodd refied his house but it seemed kinda odd saved eighty grand but he said he didn`t know law makers get a break cause they`re friends of Angelo Mozillo that is , CountryWide , Bad loans Well the first thing ya know Angelo is in some trouble he say`s HEY DODD NOW THEY SAY I CAUSED A BUBBLE! Dodd say`s fine I`ll just sponsor us a bill cover it in sugar and I`ll sell it on the Hill Well the moral of the story that you all should know better vote em out if they`re friends of Angelo or one day soon we`ll be shootin at our food Bernankes got us lookin at two hundred dollar crude Oil that is , black gold , OPEC tea And now it`s time to say goodbye to you and all your kin and Dodd would like to thank you all for kindly chippin in you`re all invited back again to this localitee to pay another trillion for their bogus LTV Loan to value Kick your shoes off Ya`ll come back now you here

September 28, 2008 at 9:34 am

jeff saturday

Hill #3 $400,000.00 loan no money down 30 yr. fixed at 5.98% P/I $2,393.00 per month property taxes and insurance in South Florida $600.00 per month payment $2,993.00 $50,000 per year = $4,166.00 per month assuming they pay no income tax or ss They have $1,173 per month to pay utilities (my FPL BILL $400 this month small house) food transportation (car payment, fuel) Credit cards (probably) GOOD LUCK !

September 28, 2008 at 9:05 am

AlexG

There is strong opposition to this bailout, yet they will pass it. I think its time to clean up congress, all of congress, regardless of party lines.

September 28, 2008 at 4:23 am

MR S

no let them FAIL!! maybe they will loose the big homes and stop driving the big fancy cars tough ,try living middle class

September 27, 2008 at 8:07 pm

KeithK

If throwing cash at a problem ever worked, then we would have no bankruptcys at all, would we. But the bankruptcy of Washington Mutual worked flawlessly, with a buyer taking it in what, an hour and without costing the FDIC a dime. Why in blue hell are we trying to fix a system that works? The banks don't want to do business? Well, then others will rise to do it and they will be left to fail silently while we witness the changing of the guard to the next stronger generation.

September 27, 2008 at 12:05 pm

Al Man

A bailout will further reward the ones who created this mess. They have no ethics. Not one of them was held accountable for their mismanagement. While their companies were sinking, everyone of them abandoned ship and laugh all the way to the bank with lavish severance packages and "performance" bonuses. They have already blown trillions with their shady deals. Don't be surprised to see these crooks work the system again and dig themselves an even bigger hole. Afterall, they are gambling with other people's money.

September 26, 2008 at 11:39 pm

Scott

Madam Speaker, It is with respect that I as an American citizen request that you respectfully recognize that you have single handedly wrecked this economy and resign your position as Speaker of the House. Since you have been Speaker of the House the American Dollar has declined against the Euro and all other world currencies which has caused prices to go up and economy to go down. Your lack of leadership has drawn our nation to the brink of disaster, and I don't think you really recognize your errors or care about our country. Scott

September 26, 2008 at 11:07 pm

Sean Michael

For those of you who believe that 700 billion will do the job: Rule of thumb for government estimates. Double the estimate for the first six months, triple for the next six month period, 33.5 percent for each following six month periods attributed to unforeseen inflation adjustments.But we are already at 1.8 trillion.Know when to holdem know when to foldem know when to walk away!NO BAILOUT!

September 26, 2008 at 3:16 pm

chuck

Looking back in history a few short years in fact...the Housing downturn is the root of all this. It had been theory but now economicists are saying this is the problem. After the rise of depressed housing prices,in the spring of '07 came the Subprime mortgage mess followed by the Credit Crunch. I believe that both the subprime mortgage and the present credit crunch are related to the housing downturn. Fast forward to the present: Sectary Paulson stares at his flat monitor screen and sees reality sraring back at him. The stock market is five trades from a severe meltdown thac affects every Fortune and Forbes 500 companies. Now could the present serious finiancial crisis which the market and banks now face could the housing downturn be related to what's going on in the present? If some of you on who work as traders,investment bankers feel free to comment on what I wrote. I would love to hear it.

September 26, 2008 at 2:22 pm

Anon E Mous

We don't need a "deal"! Let the bad investors fail! Fannie Mae was a corrupt institution, let it fail! Jail those who cooked the books. Government (really politicians) played a big part in setting up this problem, so why put them in charge of fixing it? If we (the taxpayers) have an obligation to cushion losses, then make those who caused the losses return their profits. Where is the investigation into all the politicians who accepted campaign donations from these failed institutions? Why aren't they being shamed into returning the money?

September 26, 2008 at 11:42 am

Hillbilly #6

I'd argue CountryWide is easily analogous a market suicide bomber. Let's see - Again, I'm ironing this further to arrive at: Any lending institution would have to had been out of their mind to offer such products AND Any purchaser of loan products - whether fraudulent presentation of terms or knowingly saying - "Gee, some woman Liz MacDonald 5 years from now will formally share insight that just 5 years ago, as of October, 2008 (days away) we began seeing these 5 year no money down, no interest mortgage products." and signing. "Hey honey, now that we can live here 5 years no money down ? no interest ? " "Well, I was watching Fox and they had an ad on all day, every day actually, so we can tap this house further" "Really honey ? how much ? " "I called, they said we had the greenlight And could borrow up to 280k." "Let's do it honey, let's get a black SUV and really shove it to the neighbors" You see ? You'd have to be insane or criminal (always the both option I forget about) to offer OR take these products at those times. And yet ? we just call this a 'bailout' ? yikes. I gotta talk to Hillbilly #4 about this one.

September 26, 2008 at 10:06 am

John

If Wall Street can not be controlled, then it should be shut down. Companies are better off running themselves than having these pinheads around. If our government is going to continue to manage this country on scare tactics and stealing from "We the people"; then maybe we need to get the Supreme Court to start looking into how we get our country back. I am sure the founding fathers had some words about this. Stupidity and failure bring punishment; not the rewards of success. STOP the BAILOUT!

September 26, 2008 at 10:00 am

Hillbilly #1

This isn't Lord of the Flies I was wrong this is Children of the Corn THOSE kids have taken realm the last 6 to 7 years proclaiming - No law Malakie - No Law ! chanting it. That little kid with the bible in that movie - he's probably equiv. to Paulson and Bernanke combined into one psyche. I had no idea the author of Deliverance - had intent that 4 elements of one psyche were to be formed by the 4 characters. I doubt the 2 hillbillies in that movie were part of the psyche, then again, the HUMAN psyche probably has at least one hillbilly in it. The hillbilly in me says we're Kentucky Fried. 700 Billion - (Reese Witherspoon, movie Election) "Just like that" Right. Congress could clear out the lightweights with some 48 hour sessions ! either way - we ARE kentucky fried We spent all our resources chasing nameless faceless threats in unnamed, unnamable, and unknowable places... 1 trillion plus USD. Here comes the beginning impact of letting unnamed debt products, nameless - faceless - starting to sound familiar ? you bet same - only we pay 2 to 3 TIMES for these pesky market economy bombers/suiciders.

September 26, 2008 at 10:00 am

Hillbilly #2

Don't worry America ! God has been directing foreign policy, AND our economy ! You go girl America When we win in 2008 - Palin McCain are gonna git in there and kick it around a little - ya hear what I'm sayin ? God has a plan America We must first remove the Islam belief foundation though, through proper missionary and accurate to the touch bombs - we will prevail with US military fulfilling prophecy ! We are in special times folks, and you can come up here to Alaska - one of God's refuge states - and prepare for the glory of his return, our lord and savior - Jesus Christ. Vote McCain and Palin 2008 OR lose some seriously earned afterlife bonus points you've already acquired in your life. Right. Good luck - enjoy the sucker, they only last a while ya know !

September 26, 2008 at 9:53 am

Stevey35B

It's time to remove all currently elected legislators from office. get a new bunch of corrupt crooks in office. Our federal government is totally out-of-control and incapable of resolving this mess in a logical manner. In addition, make every upper management person of every bank, financial, brokerage, rating agency company taken over, bailed out, failed personnally responsible for the losses suffered by their clients. and prosecute every senior manager at all the rating agencies for fraud committed by bad ratings.

September 26, 2008 at 9:46 am

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  • Elizabeth MacDonald is the stocks editor for Fox Business Network. She is recognized as one of the top prize-winning business journalists in the country, and has received 14 awards, including the top prize in business journalism, the Gerald Loeb Award for Distinguished Business Journalism, and the Newswomen's Club of New York Front Page Award for Excellence in Investigative Journalism.

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