July 15, 2008 1:31PM
Fannie and Freddie on the Brink
By Elizabeth MacDonald
As shares in Freddie Mac (FRE) and Fannie Mae (FNM) rocket up and down faster than a whale on a bungee cord, US Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke have taken to Capitol Hill to testify about the government’s rescue of these two out of control mortgage finance giants.
Former US Treasury Secretary John Snow got it right last week when he said that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have relied on leverage to fund their businesses in the same fashion as a hedge fund.
And now, after Fannie and Freddie have blown out their economic circuits, Americans get to own a piece of these shoddy businesses whether they wanted to or not, companies who provide Exhibit A of the worst form of government entrepreneurial senility, as one of my readers wrote me.
It’s a strange and disturbing thing to behold the delightful bit of throat clearing from Congress finger-wagging Wall Street for not setting aside adequate capital against their exposures and for poor risk management (all true), despite the fact that elected officials let these two DC-based hot air balloons inflate the housing bubble even more and grow out of control right under their noses.
Given that teetering atop their painfully razor thin capital cushions is a book of business that is nearly half the size of the US gross domestic product. The wheels started coming off these two careening freight trains a long time ago.
What is going on should be as clear as a country creek to you. Elected officials still refuse to put the guard rails up around these two businesses in the form of statutory limits on their colossal $5.3 tn book of business.
Fear is now rampant that the US government must now swallow these two obesities, causing the US dollar to plunge in anticipation of the need to mint more dollars, creating more inflation. At minimum, some kind of taxpayer funding will be a backstop. Since when did you, the taxpayer, agree to this mess (not to mention the $99 tn in unfunded liabilities at Social Security and Medicare, according to Fed stats).
This mess should tell you that Congress has no regard whatsoever for taxpayers, and these developments are proof positive that Congress has no more sense than a flock of geese. Elected officials should be as tight as a miser’s fist when it comes to spending your hard-earned tax dollars but they clearly do not care about such inconveniences when it comes to using your money to dole out pork to get re-elected. Instead of fixing the problems, Congress wastes time fingerpointing, as debate becomes target practice.
Because as losses mount at these two goliaths–$11 bn in the last three quarters and counting–the Treasury will simply mint more debt and use that resulting capital to inject more liquidity into them, despite their history of accounting misdeeds, losses and misstatements that prove that these two companies do not know what they are doing.
Fannie and Freddie buy mortgages, providing funds for banks to use to keep lending more loans. They also keep some mortgages on their books and repackage the majority into securities now sitting as potential landfill in central banks, pension funds and all sorts of investment portfolios around the world.
Those securities are backed by zombie loans given by banks such as Countrywide Financial (CFC), which pointed its conveyor belt of bad loans at Fannie, Freddie and Wall Street to repackage as securities.
Together, Fannie and Freddie own or back about $5.3 tn of U.S. home mortgages–nearly half of all mortgages outstanding. They now touch 80% of new loans (emphasis on new), and support about 80% of mortgage-backed securitizations, as Wall Street isn’t doing much of these deals any more because its recycling machine for these cut and paste jobs has had sand thrown in its gears.
Which is why a downturn in shares in both Fannie and Freddie, down some 90% from a year ago, coupled with the plunging value of their mortgage debt sitting on their balance sheets, couldn’t come at a worse time.
The government hopes to rely on them with its housing rescue plan to securitize even larger jumbo loans for the first time in the history of Fannie and Freddie to keep the US housing market above water.
And because banks here and around the world have invested in their securities, any plunge in the value of the debt from Fannie and Freddie could hurt their books as well, forcing them to raise even more capital.
The problem is, Fannie and Freddie combined have a net worth of $54 bn, despite the $81 bn you see in core capital (a pro forma figure that doesn’t include losses shoved into a line item called other comprehensive income).
Again, teetering atop that is their $5.3 tn book of business.
The two have a total of about $260 bn of subprime and Alt-A loan securitizations (the no-income, no-asset stuff somewhere between sub and prime loans). Another $3.3 tn in securitizations sit in off balance sheet vehicles, Lehman Bros says. Again those sums dwarf their capital positions.
Freddie has $156.8 bn in level three assets, those illiquid securities it can’t sell because no one wants them. That’s a fifth of its fair valued assets. Fannie has $56.1 bn in level three assets, or about a seventh of its fair valued assets. Again those sums dwarf their capital positions.
Fannie has $804 bn in total liabilities, Freddie has $786.8 bn in total liabilities. Their guaranteed liabilities were 29 times their net worth at the end of the first quarter.
JPMorgan Chase (JPM) or Bank of America (BAC), for example, have almost as much bank-level capital as these two “combined supporting one fifth of the commitments,” says the research website The Institutional Risk Analyst, published by Lord, Whalen LLC.
So the fear is that, as mortgages belly flop right and left and an increasing number of homes go into foreclosure, the two are insolvent. Former Fed official William Poole has said as much of Freddie Mac, and the government would at worst have to take onto its balance sheet their $5.3 tn, blowing out the US books. Or again backstop it with some kind of taxpayer funding.
The government’s plan is to now let these two giants borrow much more out of their credit pipelines into the US Treasury, now at $2.25 bn each. So far the two have not accessed these pipelines. They also now have access to the Fed’s discount window at a cheap 2.25% rate to get untold sums of liquidity injections. But the question is whether they can potentially use as collateral for those loans securities they can mint themselves backed by mortgages taken out by, we can only hope and pray, upstanding borrowers.
Because as losses mount at these two goliaths–$11 bn in the last three quarters and counting-the US Treasury will simply mint more debt and use that capital raise to inject more liquidity into them.
The markets are behaving quite rationally in response to the government’s weekend rescue plan by bidding down the shares of Fannie and Freddie and by sending up the prices of their debt, the idea being that equity shareholders may get zeroed out here while the bonds are protected.
Fannie Mae was born in 1938 as part of FDR’s New Deal to get the country out of the Great Depression and provide home ownership. Back then millions of Americans were struggling to buy homes, and also faced foreclosures, as banks weren’t lending and mortgage money had dried up.
For years Fannie sat on the government’s books, helping to expand the real estate industry. In 1968, the LBJ administration said, get this thing off of the government books, so Fannie Mae became a publicly traded company.
When the savings-and-loan industry wanted its own mortgage financing creature to play with beginning in 1968, Congress obliged and in 1970 Freddie Mac was born.
So up cropped two quasi-socialist mortgage finance giants.
But Congress failed in a really dramatic way to rein them in through the decades.
It used to be that when mortgages were sold to these two mortgage giants, the same lender who did the selling to Fannie and Freddie would hold some of the risk of these loans repackaged as securities on their balance sheet.
But banks figured out a way to offload that risk via derivatives and shot these risky loans into the ether from here to the Arctic circle. That broke the bond between the overseer, meaning the lender, and the borrower. Why care about monitoring a borrower who has no skin in the game with a zero down mortgage when you’ve entirely offloaded that loan as a security?
Through the decades, Congress did little to dissuade taxpayers and investors from the notion that Fannie and Freddie were backed by the full faith and credit of the U.S. government, when they are not. Again, they both have credit pipelines into the US Treasury of $2.25 bn each, and that’s where the backing was supposed to end.
For years now the government knew these two posed a problem. A 2001 study by the Government Accountability Office said that these two might warrant only an “A” rating as private stand alone entities, but likely near junk status, based on their leverage, says the research firm The Institutional Risk Analyst is published by Lord, Whalen.
The research firm also notes a prescient dialogue between former Fed chairman Alan Greenspan and then-Senate Banking Committee Chairman Richard Shelby (R-AL).
Greenspan, who had been warning about these two for years, said the two mortgage finance giants “could not be supervised using the safety and soundness rules employed by regulators with banks,” due to “woefully inadequate capital compared to commercial banks.”
And yet, Fannie and Freddie lumbered along, becoming to the US economy what off-balance sheet entities were to companies “like Enron, Parmalat and Citigroup (C),” says The Institutional Risk Analyst. “Bloated far beyond their historical role of merely acting as conduits for securitization of residential mortgages, Freddie and Fannie [are] at much higher leverage ratios than any bank or hedge fund,” it adds.
The research outfit says it sees a federal takeover of the two “as not only inevitable, but as an avenue to rationalize and shrink these institutions, and thereby remove a costly distraction from the Washington political scene.”
Finally, listen to what Sen. Jim Bunning (R-KY) had to say at the hearing today–though his words were hot enough to melt silver, and the thing is, many market watchers say he’s right–and right to be angry. Since when did you the taxpayer agree to this mess that was created?:
“Now the Fed wants to be the systemic risk regulator. But the Fed is the systemic risk. Giving the Fed more power is like giving the neighborhood kid who broke your window playing baseball in the street a bigger bat and thinking that will fix the problem.”
“When I picked up my newspaper yesterday, I thought I woke up in France. But no, it turns out socialism is alive and well in America. The Treasury Secretary is asking for a blank check to buy as much Fannie and Freddie debt or equity as he wants. The Fed’s purchase of Bear Stearns’ assets was amateur socialism compared to this.” (see blogs, “New Details from Fed Minutes on Bear Stearns Rescue,” “The Bear Trap,” and “The Brinkmanship at Bear Stearns”).
“And for this unprecedented intervention in the markets what assurances do we get that it will not happen again? None. We are in the process of passing a stronger regulator for the G.S.E.s [government-sponsored enterprises], and that is important, but it allows them to continue in the current form.”
“If they really do fail, should we let them go back to what they were doing before?”
Comment by John Mason
Jul 15th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
Hey; not to worry! It’s all good, just ask your favorite representative, senator, or other elected official.
Do you realize how many of the most filthy rich are increasing their fortunes by 500% ?
Our country has been sold, we are being taxed to pay for it (regular taxes, food, oil, all other things foreign).
TRAITORS, TRAITORS EVERYWHERE, AND NOT A ONE BEING CHARGED.
Comment by Anthony E. Burke
Jul 15th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
Finally a journalist who gets it. There have been many who saw this coming but were ignored by the media. Do you remember FnWatch?
My only hope is that this tradegy, coupled with a 9% approval rating for our congressman, will finally sink in with the voters. Every incumbent, from both parties,should be shaking in their boots. I’m an Independent and I assure you I’ll be voting for “change” but not the kind being popularized in the media today- my change is not voting for any incumbents.
Comment by Nick67
Jul 15th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
Ok,
I sense your indignation–but isn’t it misplaced? Just who deregulated the whole industry so that the whole Alt-A and subprime thing was even POSSIBLE? Especially afetr the S&L fiasco of the 80’s?
Both Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae are publicly traded entities. Their directors have a FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBLITY
Comment by Kelly
Jul 15th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
Makes perfect sense. Pork spending is out of control and has been for years. Elected folks have one common ground and that is purely to see how fat they can get at taxpayer expense. We have a corrupt government and the only way for to reform it is to create a new poitcal pary that can withstand the hail storm from the 2 fat pigs that are now in existence.
Comment by Hasan Hussein
Jul 15th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
Citi just sold 7% of the German banking industry that it owned for 4.9BBillion Euros. DeutscheWelle also reoprted that Citi needs to raise $400 BBillion in the next few years. Since no other institutions have that kind of money it looks like Citi will go south. The street “wisedom” might say “too big to fail” but it looks like with Citi, Fannie, Freddie, Deutsche Bank(when it does get into trouble not being able to continue papering-over things) and a couple other banks and hedies people will then say: Too BIG to SAVE !
Comment by Mike Robinson
Jul 15th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
It is time for a revolution: No more War, No more Socialism, No more Lies. We need to cut spending and taxes by 50%. The USA is going to wake up with a big hangover and no aspirin. Call the doctor.
Comment by maatt daamon...
Jul 15th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
Let’s see…
So people cannot afford their mortgages after the ridiculous increase in interest is finally applied to their previously bargain basement interest loans.
As people cannot afford the incredible increase in their monthly payments, they stop paying their loans and let their houses be reposessed.
In theory, these people could still pay for their houses at the given interest rate previously applied to the loan. In the worst case scenario, some kind of arrangement could be made. It is NOT IMPOSSIBLE.
This economic crisis is only being compounded by corporate greed. Rather than give these “homeowners” a break in interest rates and still collect garunteed money for what they have lent, they would prefer to keep upping the interest so that ordinary people cannot afford them, and then force the government to bail them out so they still have billions and billions and trillions of dollars.
These a**holes do not deserve the government bailout, just as they would not give out a mortgage for two and a half percent. This is what they expect from the government and greedily would not counter for those experiencing financial difficulties. The US is regretably going to fall into more and more trouble simply because greed is the order of the day. Who cares about millions of poor Americans when I got my millions?
Typical corporate scum.
Comment by Josqueline
Jul 15th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
This is a very informative article. I think it is really breaks down the basics of how, why and where are we going. Of course, no one knows what congress will do for sure, but we can all make a fairly educated guess.
For my less educated family… all they see is the government is helping these large “corporate giants” and they are not helping the people who are loosing there homes left and right. It is hard to explain the complexity of “who’s fault it is”.
As children we are taught the government regualtes itself through “Checks and Balances”, but sometimes… it looks better on paper.
Comment by maatt daamon...
Jul 15th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
hey! wheres my comment!?
Comment by jason
Jul 15th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
Ok, I understand thet both these companies are failing and that no good solution is available. I cant help but wonder what the upside is tho. I’m not a buisness person, but what % of the loans that they hold not being forclosed on? If these are really behemoth companies cant they have a signifigant amount of loans that are being payed and arent being defaulted? Not to mention foreclosures are losses but not all lost, doesnt the bank typically resell the properties and recoup some of the losses?
I understand this is a major problem, but in my dabbling of readings about wall street over the last few years it appears that the majority of information is 1/10 empty not 9/10 full, maybe a sideeffect about writing about money for so many years.
Comment by Robert Rothenberg
Jul 15th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
It would be obvious that going forward, any GSE should have less leverage than they do now. That would affect long term profitability in rising markets which in turn would lead to lagging share prices.
That would lead to the next question, Should they be publicly traded entities to begin with? The government has had to bail them out anyways and the total taxpayer cost is unknown but it will be significantly more than if the agenciews were government run to begin with.
Comment by sergi
Jul 15th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
One of the most accurate analysis of F/F situation and congress attitude!
Congratulation Elisabeth MacDonald
Comment by jim brown
Jul 15th, 2008 at 7:08 pm
Matt you better wake up here. Your dollar has lost 40% against the Euro in the last few years. In 1964 a quarter would just about buy a gallon of gas. Today my 1964 quarters that are made of silver still almost buy a gallon of gas. The dollar has lost about 95& of its purchasing power since the Federal reserve was created. So the end of the dollar is already here. If you had bought Euro’s a few years back you would have made 40% gains keeping them under you mattress. Holding dollars now why the Fed’s printing presses are going full speed is like playing russian roulette with 6 bullets in the chambers. No chance of coming out ahead.
Comment by Harry
Jul 15th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
Elizabeth:
The flock of geese are smarter than Congress: The geese have the sense to know that when winter’s coming head south before disaster strikes. Congress wanted everyone to have the American dream of owning a home, and turned aside from proper ovesight. Greenspan’s every word was parsed as it were the word of God, except when it came to warning about Freddie and Fannie.
Matt, Elizabeth’s not the moron. Her blog has become one of the saner voices in a cacophony of reactionaries. You, on the other hand, are sniper with bad eyes.
Comment by Roger
Jul 15th, 2008 at 7:46 pm
If this happened in the real work, and market forces were allowed to apply…
This badly run company would be allowed to fail and competition would step in to take the business. Of course that can’t happen here, but could they at least make sure all those involved loose their jobs and what’s left of their business reputation? (oh, that probably can’t happen here either..)
Also, wasn’t there an accounting scandal a couple of years ago at FannieMae? Did the ouster of Raines and Howard keep them from making other foolish mistakes? Oh, that’s right, no competition in this scenario, I keep forgetting.
Comment by Kurt9
Jul 15th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
The proper course of action to take with Freddie and Fannie is to place them in Federal receivership and to liquidate their assets. This is what was done with the Resolution Trust Corporation in the early 90’s when the S&L’s all went bust.
Of course, our current congress is way too corrupt and fiscally irresponsible for such a course of action.
Comment by Deacon & Usher
Jul 15th, 2008 at 8:52 pm
Usher: Hey Deak, check out the guys on the hill - they want the people who are getting whacked by the inflation to now pay for all the bad loans?
Deacon: Yep, it’s kinda like having to pay taxes on roadkill, Usher. Some say it’s a free country, but it sure don’t look like it from up here…..
Comment by Ben
Jul 15th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
Sorry Matt, but you’re sadly mistaken. This is an extremely well crafted snapshot of the current situation, and Elizabeth should be commended for putting all of this together.
Matt, try and realize - you are the one who is having a difficult time wrapping your brain around the concept that your beloved GSE’s will fail. You are seething at the fact that you are one of millions who will be paying the price for two organizations that were allowed to hold leverage ratios that no self respecting bank would even consider.
Don’t blame Elizabeth. You’re ’shooting the messenger’ as it were. I’m just glad that someone, somewhere was finally able to bring the picture into focus for me. Sometimes the truth hurts. But if you’re not willing to go there Matt, there are plenty of other media sources willing to cater to the ’spin’ you need to help you sleep at night.
Thanks for this, Elizabeth.
Comment by TJ
Jul 15th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Great article. You were great on Cavuto yesterday.
Matt, I think you need to explain yourself. Give your google sources.
Comment by Bob Meyer
Jul 15th, 2008 at 10:58 pm
Elizabeth MacDonald understands the consequences of “saving” Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac much better than Matt does. Enormous wealth has already been destroyed by their mis-investment. There is no saving these economic corpses anymore than one can raise the dead.
The economy is hemorrhaging from GSEs that are “free”. They are free to act without serious regulation and also free from any bad consequences of their actions. If they make a profit they keep it, if they don’t then someone else gets to pick up the tab. There is no better way to ruin an economy than to free people from the consequences of their actions.
Transfusing the blood of the living into these corpses may give them the semblance of life, it may hide the fact that they are dead, but it will not stop these institutions from continuing to destroy wealth. Wealth must be confiscated to pay for this continued destruction and the consequences of that will dwarf the collapse of Freddie and Fannie.
How many small businesses must go under, how many people must forgo retirement because their 401k’s have plunged in value, how many households have to cut their food budgets so that Freddie and Fannie’s incompetent managers won’t have to worry about not being able to afford to have the barnacles scraped from their yachts?
Plant these corpses now, before they stink up the entire country.
Comment by DAVID
Jul 16th, 2008 at 1:46 am
Let me get this straight….I, the lowly taxpayer, who keeps his bank account balance positive, his bills paid, and who was taught to balance his checkbook in the fifth grade, and is accountable for his own actions, must now loan these companies my money, because they never learned to keep their checkbook balanced !
Who goes to jail here ? No one because there is a “good ole boy” network within these companies and certain members of congress.
I SAY, LET THEM FAIL…….PUT THE HEADS OF THESE COMPANIES IN PRISON, AND ANY GOVERNMENTAL FIGURE WHO PARTICIPATED IN OR OVERLOOKED THIS SITUATON BEFORE THE FIRING SQUAD.
I will take care of myself, as I always have, without government assistance. If I make a mistake, who rushes in to infuse me with cash…..certainly not my government.
It is time that the people of America wake up….THE MARCH TO SOCIALISM IS HERE.
Comment by Pat
Jul 16th, 2008 at 8:26 am
matt daamon - the mortgages where interest rates are increasing were spelled out that way from day one: the paperwork had phrases like “ADJUSTABLE RATE”, and told you what rate (e.g. U.S. Prime, LIBOR, etc.) would be used.
I am neither a lawyer nor an accountant/financier, but when I signed an adjustable-rate mortgage a few years ago, I asked some plan dumb questions:
“what will my monthly payment be now?”
“what will my payment be in five years?”
and so on. And, understanding my risk better, I chose freely to sign. It’s nobody’s fault but mine.
The paperwork is available to any signer. If they choose to neither read it, nor spend $300 to have an attorney read it, then… sorry, but it’s the signer’s responsibility. If I am a bank, duh! I want to make money. If someone wants to take a loan from me and trade a lower payment now for higher payments later, duh! I’m going to give them the paperwork and try to sell it. And don’t forget that millions of people *wanted* these loans so they could buy the house they wanted - nobody forced them to buy the $350K house instead of the $200K condo.
So please don’t spew that tired “evil corporations” crap. While some individual mortgage sellers may have lied about what’s in the paperwork, that’s why due diligence is always a wise thing on the part of the buyer.
The much bigger problem here, as others here and elsewhere have so ably pointed out, is a government whose mismanagement of money is so stunningly bad that three generations’ financial stability, even our nation’s, are at risk. In the end, though, it’s our fault as a citizenry: we got lazy and fat, and elected the people who made us the nicest promises. Result: deficits, debt, and a hundred trillion (yes, TRILLION) in unfunded liabilities for socialist insecurity and mediscare. Both parties - two sides of a socialist coin - are to blame, but we elected them. As far as I am concerned, the sooner the financial crisis or collapse hits, the sooner the demographic bump commonly characterized by their selfishness and short-sightedness (*cough* baby boomers *cough*) can be hit with it along with the rest of us and (be made to) participate in mopping up the mess rather than running away to Boca Raton, joining AARP, and perpetuating the problem.
Comment by frank
Jul 16th, 2008 at 9:51 am
I bought a lot of their stock yesterday.
Comment by Julia Masters
Jul 16th, 2008 at 10:15 am
Thank you so much Liz, the reason you are so respected is because you consistently deliver informative, brilliant and highly fun to read stories. You make these tough economic and financial issues understandable. That’s a real talent and a gift, a mark of genius. We desperately need you now fighting the good fight, keep up the great work, I’m a big fan of yours, I try to follow what you say everyday.
Comment by Geoff
Jul 16th, 2008 at 10:19 am
Robt Rothenberg raised some interesting questions.. If the GSE’s should be traded publicly then they should be held to much tighter standards and oversight than they were previously.. This entire episode reeks of mismanagement and lack of oversight with the participants knowing that even a debacle such as what we are witnessing is going to be bailed out.. It’s another fraud and a screwing of taxpayers and investors.. Congress should be hauled out onto the carpet for this one, too …
Comment by edfeeney
Jul 16th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
I think your fantastic Elizabeth but my heart belongs to Alexsis Glick. A new campaign to have you and Alexsis take over Cavuto’s spot.
Comment by Bill
Jul 18th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
Thanks for an excellent summary of our inability as a nation to balance short-term trading with long-term investment. The figures of speech are quite amusing. However, I must agree with Harry that geese know better than hang around for the winter. Those that did not fly south were subject to Darwin’s law and did not pass along their defective behavior. I wish we could apply that principle to all the short-sighted politicians and regulators who promised anything with no regard to the consequences. A nice old lady bookkeeper who embezzles $100K from a small company will end up serving time. Why is Charles Keating not in jail ?? What about double-talk Greenspan, Mozillo, and the Wall Street perps who brought this on? The whole thing is one Ponzi scheme after another. We all pay for this rip-off every day at the food store and ga$ station with our general inflation tax.
Comment by Greedom
Jul 19th, 2008 at 7:00 am
Comment by edfeeney
Jul 16th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
I think your fantastic Elizabeth but my heart belongs to Alexsis Glick. A new campaign to have you and Alexsis take over Cavuto’s spot.
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Gee I just KNEW this blog would come to a celebrity death match between Glick and MacDonald !
heh - edfeeny - apples and oranges here
I’ll day this, MacDonald looks genuinely more happier !
but if we JUST gauge quality of life by happiness - we miss out on those who mourn.
so, heck if I know, or that I or anyone could know short of people knowing what little they even know about themselves ?
as to Elizabeth AND Alexis ? combined ? hmm - I will say while Alexis is ‘there’ and she may ask a guest a question, that can be it, just that, and one could argue that minimalism is sought after ? I just enjoy a potential for dialog. For example the Muriel interview with Elizabeth - you know ? had that had more time ? I do say - probably would have been yet all the better eh ?
Alexis may be ‘there’ to ask a leading question but I do say Elizabeth seems to be in the heads of the guests. I don’t think she brings a broom in or anything and cleans however.
Me ? I prefer not mannerisms when not non-optional.
Take Katherine - from Business Russia -now there you have an entirely different question in response to Comment by edfeeney.
Heh, now THERE would be a show - lol
I can see the clean edged presentation from Katherine coupled with Elizabeths content contributions.
Yeah, easily can see it.
On the other hand maybe MacDonald would freak one day and off set ask -could we have ANY mannerism - short of the hand notion that inflection is occurring ? I really can’t improve on Business Russia (or is it Russia Business ? ) hmmmm for clean presentation.
Certainly Elizabeth MacDonald as sr. editor though… and then someone else indeed.
Comment by Greedom
Jul 19th, 2008 at 7:43 am
Liz should take some money, get Muriel - have HER take some money, find some more - and go with their own show.
Personally, I think there is a great thirst for ‘what the X is going on’ from a non-prior educated perspective. People don’t understand, and do want to understand, just what is meant by ‘going to London’ etc. I think Liz and Muriel could go on for hours upon hours -broken up into different sessions of course for livable sanity.
I don’t know how small that office really is over there at Fox Business News.
Sometimes I think, is it shrinkable to a small group of people, - then ? you see these rooms.
Oh well - one thing for sure - Neil does have some fun history indeed, and I gather is happy with how things are - however - trailing from wing of Fox perhaps was a destined - oh well- words are indeed hard to find there.
I am serious though, I think Liz and Muriel should get some capital together and resources, people - and do their own show - it’s not like you need to bring a crew on a new roller coaster as they follow the day in stocks.
“Look, Muriel’s having a heart attack, oh no, that’s just laughter, it’s MacDonald, look at her, her face is shifting off” as the theme park roller coaster ‘filmed live’ hits 89 mph.
Muriel doesn’t need FBN, I don’t think Elizabeth MacDonald ‘needs’ it, but I don’t mean to discredit any constructive growth that has construed as a result of having worked with FBN either.
Some people DO need the network I suppose - I don’t know.
but I DO know E. MacDonald and M. Siebert (uh oh, did I start to misspell it ? )
should do some more shows !
and I’m sure for them ? it would be more than fun !
Comment by Lee
Jul 19th, 2008 at 11:09 am
It is amazing to see the government go against our own
Constituition, it states we do no get involved in privately owned business, well, Fannie and Freddie are privately owned. If congress can do that why can they not stop the banks and mortgage companies from increasing ALL of everyone’s interest rates. Not just those that are in foreclosure now, because this will continure till 2010. Everyone is making their first 6 months of adjusted payments is not covered by all the new laws and then in July, August and September, when they go into the second adjustment, these people will be at the limit of 17% or higher. They will not be able to pay that for long and then by January 09 they will start another foreclousre issue. Does no one understand how long this effect will go on for. ALl Adjustable Loans need to be frozen now and congress needs to step back and start invetigatint the individuals no the big banks but the individual loan officers and brokers who forged information on applications and who did not disclose information and shut them down and take away their licenses. I see it everyday in my business and it is very disharting to see low income and older people being taken advatnage of just for a buck. Most of those people are now trying to do reverse mortgages but are so upside down there is no equity to do it and they are out on the streets while government drives there big cars WE pay for, have seven course meals, stay warm and have all their luxuries and we americans are living on the streets. It seems that we will soon be a thrid world country wherein our government has Gold Palaces and we have to make shacks to live in. Is that what we were founded on and for. I think not. Maybe if Congress lost their jobs and money and homes then maybe something would be done, but since we little people cannot fight congress that will not happen. I agree we have been sold out and unfortunetly we have to go to other countries to get our food back and our money is worth nothing because we gave it them willingly. We the
American People need to put a stop to Congress making us a Third World County.
Comment by Greedom
Jul 21st, 2008 at 3:46 am
I think Wachovia and WaMu are next.
Comment by Gregg
Jul 21st, 2008 at 5:11 am
I am concerned about Freddie Mac and Fanny Mays situation. But I am in shock that the government would even consider loaning/gaurrenteeing the funds if “Freddie Mac Chairman and Chief Executive Richard Syron pocketed nearly $19.8 million in compensation last year, according to a Securities and Exchange Commission filing Friday, even though the mortgage company’s stock lost half its value in 2007.” What is worst, “If Syron stays at the helm of Freddie Mac through the end of next year, he will receive nearly $20 million in stock awards if the board says he has met certain goals. This year, he is guaranteed to get $8.8 million in stock grants regardless of performance.”
“For 2007, Syron received a $1.2 million salary, a $3.45 million bonus, including $1.25 million to remain at the company, and $771,585 in other compensation. He also received stock and options valued by the company at $14.3 million at the time they were awarded.” I believe that if they are in such a bad state all executives should recieve no bonuses, there should be no dividend payout during the time frame and all company raise should not exceed a standard raise equatible to inflation and no more. Why should tax payers funds be used to ensure execs get such rich compensation or dividends be paid……accountability has to start some where.
Concerned tax payer
Gregg
Comment by Greedom
Jul 21st, 2008 at 5:34 am
I wager Muriel would have fun laughing at the absurdity of machine / algorithmic driven trading
ESPECIALLY with futures
as she points out, ‘well uh, ORIGINALLY? - they have visceral purpose - now ? they’e some abstract derivative (I’ll embed her also wording ‘lord only knows’)’
it is absurd indeed
That’s like using a thermometer for the patio for perhaps some inner bird temp readings ?
it’s JUST not designed for that - nor is it probably safe
same with futures
mis-use
OR
I won’t even get into baster abuse.
futures abuse ?
PROBABLY about the same
As Muriel points out - futures were designed to help build or price in anticipated value of a product - a guide for pricing if you ask me.
And now ?
it’s a ride up AND down - short or long - I don’t even WANT to ponder software applied to trading.
or Trading Automatae perhaps.
either way - I was surprised to see Ed Thorpe iirc, the mathematics professor from MIT who first explored card counting with blackhack in the 1950’s/60’s - then went on to formally design the first hedge fund.
Is it abuse teetering on mis-use ? or mis-use teetering on abuse ?
Comment by Greedom
Jul 21st, 2008 at 5:55 am
Telling you Elizabeth
takea a job with Berkshire Hathaway - I bet you could co-edit anything they need to get out - but all in all ?
upstream fishing
I see at the crystallized precipice of these murky waters from toxic waste in transit mortgages about to surface for the first time - cleaner waters. I can’t not ask myself - how is it the two wealthiest - or let us say ? successful capitalists ? Gates and Buffett both - end up here too.
How can we not look at the winners here and ask - and yet ? Here is Warren Buffett on Happy Hour of all places - stating in response to why he’s giving his money to Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation - 38 Billion is it ? “It was never mine”
And that - is the baseline truth.
And you know ? All these hedge funders that ride high on 7 figure walk in the door fee’s ?
Buffett especially makes anyone still seeking the ‘yacht’ cornerstone to a double wide with the velvet with only 1/2 of elvis’s face because the discount was on the machine breaking down - applied to the back of the living room trailor door. Once in, you will never leave without getting slammed on hearing about the elvis velvet, same with the yacht.
Comment by Greedom
Jul 21st, 2008 at 6:07 am
compartmental prefab living models appear best IN the store window eh?
I once noticed this woman at a grocery checking out, she appeared somewhat disheveled - clearly pumping more than a few dollars into this crane machine. Then epiphany - she wanted what she couldn’t have ?
Now, on the OTHER hand, there exists a hospital next door, so, maybe I need to abandon this story to deliver that point.
Yikes !
If I got THAT one wrong, yikes, even if she shovelled $12 into that crane machine ! It could have been a gift !
and that is the same point I just ended up on with Buffett and Gates probably BOTH saying - as they watch some 783 million USD yayhoo yacht go by - “It could have been a gift” ?
Exchange crane machine prizes with
Yacht
TIVO - ok ok - I’ll leave that out - I don’t have it, but people do find utility in it
Double Wide
Winning Chinese investments BEFORE they have bank failure
Jet
4 year senate package
Oh well
people do seem to want what they can’t have - crane machine syndrome.
Now, wanting to get out of this debt mess - that is not issue to me -
in THAT case, it’s find accountability
over and over
hmm - That leaves with one other observation Ms. MacDonald - you could probably THRIVE in some research intensive environment - my posts are somewhat yayhoo- nothing stands out here, you deserve more than this.
Maybe go think tank ? for a bit ? ugh! Book ! Hiaetus !
no, on the other hand, more hosting, if not your own show.
PROBABLY the fun ticket !
sheesh, had a typo there on fun.
sierra nevada wasn’t the best start of the day probably.